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Timecodes
0:00 – Splash Screen
0:21 – Opening Credits
0:52 – Welcome and Episode Outline
01:15 – Call to Action
02:23 – Guest Introduction
05:05 – How did you get into this industry?
10:04 – Stargate is Chicken Soup
12:39 – Who made you the person who you are today?
14:24 – What brought you to the U.S.?
15:19 – What are the roles that pushed you to place beyond what you expected?
17:40 – Did these roles uncover facets of yourself that you didn’t expect to find?
19:16 – Tell us about auditioning for “Shau’​nac” (SG-1 4×04 “Crossroads”)
21:32 – Who did you go to, to find out what kind of creature Shau’​nac was?
23:34 – Were you surprised at the twist at the end?
24:36 – Working with Christopher Judge and Peter DeLuise
26:29 – Sets of SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager
29:26 – Returning to the show (SG-1 6×19 “The Changeling”)
34:53 – Would you return to Stargate in the future?
35:33 – Stepping Through the Real Stargate
37:11 – Tell us about your experience on “Hawaii Five-0”
39:25 – Being on Mortal Kombat: Annihilation
41:43 – Buffy the Vampire Slayer
45:39 – Working with Garrett Wang on Star Trek Voyager
49:49 – Any anecdotes from “Xena: Warrior Princess”? (“Ilainus”)
55:40 – Oblivion (1994) and Oblivion 2: Backlash (1996)
56:36 – Would you rather be an immortal or a warrior woman Jaffa in a future role?
57:29 – Thank You, Musetta!
58:34 – Post-Interview Housekeeping
1:04:00 – End Credits

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TRANSCRIPT
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David Read:
Welcome to Episode 81 of Dial the Gate. My name is David Read. Thanks so much for tuning in on this lovely Sunday. We’ve had three shows this weekend. Sally Malcolm started us off today, and then we had Suanne Braun, and now we’re bringing in the lovely Musetta Vander from Stargate SG-1. She played Shau’​nac. Before we bring her in, I’d just like to let you know that we are looking for more subscribers! So if you’re a Stargate fan and you like content like this on YouTube, it would mean a great deal if you click the like button. It really makes a difference with YouTube’s algorithm. And will definitely help the show grow its audience. Please also consider sharing this video with a Stargate friend. And if you want to get more notifications about future episodes, click the subscribe icon. If you give the bell icon a click, it will notify you the moment a new video drops and you’ll get my notifications of any last-minute guest changes. And this is key if you plan on watching live because these talents are working for the most part and, you know, they’re back at it. So schedules change all the time. And clips from this live stream will be released over the course of the next several days on the GateWorld.net YouTube channel. As with most of our live shows with this episode, we’re inviting you to submit your questions for Musetta. So go to www.youtube.com/DialtheGate and our moderators are standing by to take your questions. Without further ado, the guest of the hour, Shau’​nac from Stargate SG-1. Musetta Vander, thanks so much for joining us.

Musetta Vander:
Well, thank you for that lovely introduction, and you’re very welcome.

David Read:
Thank you. How are you doing? How are things going?

Musetta Vander:
Very well, I mean it’s going really well. It’s gorgeous weather.

David Read:
It is!

Musetta Vander:
Yes. So I have been… this morning I went for a cycle early in the morning with my husband. We went to go have breakfast, now we’re back and probably head down to the beach later. So I love getting outdoors, as you can probably tell.

David Read:
Well, you know, absolutely. I just ran to L. A. for work last week for a day. And I got out of the car and I was like, “I can’t breathe! There’s so much humidity here!”

Musetta Vander:
Really?

David Read:
It’s like, “Yeah, you’re by the ocean.” Phoenix is just so dry.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, it is.

David Read:
I mean, humidity is like 20% sometimes. So it’s just crazy there. But yeah, I love running out to that area. It’s just always so beautiful.

Musetta Vander

Yeah. There are so many beautiful places to see, you know. It’s just …

David Read:
Absolutely. Especially in the out-of-doors. Right now, especially – that’s the time to do it is to be outside. Who’s this little figure next to you here? To your right.

Musetta Vander:
Oh, it’s my warrior. This piece comes from somewhere… I can’t remember which part of Africa. I got it quite a few years ago. And I collect several… I used to collect several pieces of African art. And when I came over many years ago, this piece came with us at the time. And I remember once a feng shui master came into the house and looked at all the masks and he goes, “Oh, you have masks.” And I was like. “Is that a bad thing?” He goes, “How long have you had them?” I go, “Well, probably about..” – by that time, probably like 15 years. And he goes, “Oh, good, because now they follow you.” I was like, “Really? Was I following them before?” Because when they have the faces of the masks, they have certain powers and they can cause some kind of a deviation in the chi flow in a house. So he was very happy to hear that I had them for a long time because now I was in charge and not the masks.

David Read:
Wow. Well, I mean, I may need him to visit my place because I also have masks from Vietnam and I have some from South Africa. My kitchen is full of masks and I almost never cook, Musetta. So maybe there’s something too that.

Musetta Vander:
Whoa! You’d better get them lined up behind you!

David Read: They’re taking over the space!

Musetta Vander:
Chop chop!

David Read:
Absolutely. You are South African born.

Musetta Vander:
Yes.

David Read:
My second South African of the day.

Musetta Vander:
Yes, yes, we’re back-to-back.

David Read:
Absolutely. How did you get started in this industry? How young were you when you realized; this is what I want to do with my life. This is something that I want to continue to explore.

Musetta Vander:
Well, I was born into the entertainment business because my mother was a ballet teacher, so…

David Read:
Got it.

Musetta Vander:
[connection drop]… when I grew up, there was no TV. So we didn’t have television programs or anything like that. But when I was about, oh, I don’t know how old, probably about 8 or 9, I had a book that I got hold of somehow. And there were careers for girls, and then all these like secretary, whatever, whatever, housewife. And then I saw a picture of an actress standing on a set with all the lights and the microphones, and I went, “That’s what I’m going to be.” And it was literally before even TV came out. It’s just in my nature because I grew up in the entertainment business, it was just a natural progression. But it wasn’t until much later that I became an actor. I first was in the dance world for a long time.

David Read:
And how did movements teach you about yourself and your world and, you know, your physical boundaries and, you know, how did that expression help form your identity?

Musetta Vander:
I definitely think there’s something to being in some kind of a physical activity from a very young age. It doesn’t matter what it is, whether it’s dancing, martial arts – something that’s very active. It’s not only good for the energy flow of the body. It’s very good for self-confidence. It’s good for your posture. It’s something… in the case of ballet training; it’s something that lasts your entire lifetime because it’s a very strict discipline. You know, I do believe that you need to keep the body in motion. Anything that becomes stagnant tends to slow down and become toxic. So I like to keep the body moving, even if it’s gentle movement. And I definitely feel it gave me a lot more confidence and assertiveness because, you know, it just makes you stronger, especially if you’re a performer, you’re on a stage and, you know, you’re used to that. So it does give you a little extra edge. I think it’s definitely good.

David Read:
There’s something about poise. There’s something about standing up straight that I think connects to us like on a tadpole level almost where, you know, there’s a self-respect that’s a part of it. And people also notice your posture as well, even if not on a conscious level, where it’s like; I need to take this person a little bit more seriously.

Musetta Vander:
You know, it’s very true. It’s very true. Your posture is very, very important. I mean, I do Qigong now and stuff, but I’ve been doing that quite a while. But there’s a saying that says this exercise that I’m very, very fond of that I give to a lot of people to do. It’s called standing like a tree. And the concept behind it is: do nothing and everything is done, just like a tree that stands absolutely still. You can plant the seed and you come back 5 years later, 10 years later, this tree is growing bigger and bigger and bigger, but you never see it transforming these energies constantly between earth and heaven energies. One day you have a giant sequoia tree. It’s massive and powerful. If you drag your car into it, the tree keeps standing and the car and you are having problems. So it’s that concept of keeping the body in that straight up posture, almost standing still and channeling energy, is very, very powerful and I think posture is definitely an important part of how you feel also. If you if you sit like this [slouched], your energy is you know compacted, contracted. Emotions will be affected by, as opposed to when you open up and stand up straight.

David Read:
And how your emotions are affected relates to how you communicate with other people and how they feed off of that as well.

Musetta Vander:
Definitely.

David Read:
There’s an oxytocin thing going on. There’s a dopamine thing going on. All these chemicals, you know… and it sounds like you’re someone who is really tied to vibrations. You know, we’re all feeding off of each other’s ripples and sending out ripples.

Musetta Vander:
Definitely we are all energetically connected; we are not separate at all, you know? So, we do affect each other’s energy, definitely. And…

David Read:
Go ahead.

Musetta Vander:
I was waiting for you…

David Read:
OK.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, that’s what I was gonna say. It’s like if you think about the power of a smile; it has such healing properties; it can literally… it literally transforms the chemical processes in the body; it makes you feel better. If you turn your mouth up and you smile, and then you try to have a fight with someone, you actually can’t, right? And this is [my mouth] the same way.

David Read:
It’s true there are certain things that are turned off, yeah.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. So even if you’re feeling bad, if you just smiled – just that – changes the chemistry of the body.

David Read:
Do you know who Simon Sinek is?

Musetta Vander:
No.

David Read:
OK. He’s an author who talks about… one of my favorite books of his is “Start With Why.” It’s to find the root of why you’re doing something, your motivation for something. And one of the things that he talks about is when you do something nice for someone else, something unexpected, you get a release of oxytocin in yourself. You also release oxytocin in the other person if they also register what you’ve done. Someone observing a third party sees you do something for someone else, they get a release of oxytocin.

Musetta Vander:
So true.

David Read:
And it all folds back in on itself. I think that’s one of the wonderful things about sci-fi, and about Stargate in particular, is it was – and my listeners are tired of me saying this. It’s chicken soup. It’s a show that makes you look at the best parts of humanity and the darkest parts of humanity. But generally at the end of the episode, makes you feel like, “You know what? I’m going to be alright. In the long run, we’ve got this. We’re going to be OK.” And I think the uplifting spirit of shows like Stargate are so important to the human spirit.

Musetta Vander:
Absolutely. It’s a very, very powerful medium. And I think that it’s a great teacher. And it really… it reflects so much of life and the lessons of life. And what we go through, even though it’s taking place on another dimension, the emotional component to it is something everybody can relate to. It doesn’t matter where you are and what language you speak or what country you live on. Everybody has the same emotions, you know? So yeah, it’s really… I think it’s really a powerful, powerful medium – filmmaking, in general, you know, and Star Trek and Stargate and all these shows, even though they go straight out into far, far other realms of consciousness, it brings with it hope and change and vibrant energy and good stuff. Lessons. And actually, it’s not so far-fetched, in my opinion. Some of the stuff, the portals and the stargates. I mean, you know?

David Read:
Would we really be surprised if some of this stuff was real? I wouldn’t be. It’s like, well.

Musetta Vander:
No. I don’t think it’s surprising at all. As a matter of fact, sometimes I think, “Oh, yeah, OK.”

David Read:
Absolutely.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah.

David Read:
You’re talking about a lot of this being good teachers. Who are some of your good teachers? Who are the people who have shaped you into who you are?

Musetta Vander:
Well, I think your first teachers are your parents, you know, definitely. That was definitely my greatest influence while growing up; was my mother. And then… and my father. But I think that from that point on, because I didn’t have… I didn’t grow up with TV, My greatest teacher was nature. Really. I really think that in nature, it has such a harmonious and intelligent flow that as a child, for me, playing was… we had two rivers across our properties, and we would go for safaris and imaginary voyages, and you know, rescue like the trapped princess or, you know, doing something really outrageous and unusual. We had tree houses, and my friend Kiki and I would just go for these adventures to go and save something that we would dream up. So it was really a lot of my own imagination that was used in nature, and I think that was a very big factor into what my interest became later in life, you know? I never followed an individual. I was lucky to have some really good teachers that came my way because of my interests, especially on the more of the esoteric side of my life. So, yeah, but nature was my first and greatest – and still – is my favorite teacher.

David Read:
What brought you to the United States?

Musetta Vander:
Well, at that time when I was living in South Africa, I was working on a TV show there, like a music video show. And it was a really unusual coincidence of events that led up to my husband at that time who saw me on that show. And I literally bumped into him the same evening out of all the people – he was American – out of all the people in the entire country, I randomly bump into him at the opening of this show… this nightclub I had to go to represent the show. And he had just seen me on TV and goes, “I just saw you on TV.” I was like, “Yeah, sure, yeah, whatever.” Anyway, he had, and that was it. And that’s how I ended up coming to America – through him. Because at that point, I just started my whole career in South Africa, and then I met him and then I came this way.

David Read:
What are some of the roles on stage, on screen, music video, TV, film, that pushed you in ways that you really didn’t expect, or expected, but it took you to places beyond what you were expecting?

Musetta Vander:
I think that the most… the one that really was the most challenging for me to do was a play I did, which is one of the first plays I did called “So It Is Burning,” which was about an interracial relationship in South Africa during the height of apartheid. And that was the first thing I did when I came to the U. S. And we did it at a theater at the Hudson Backstage. To perform that level of emotion every night and to go through that character’s experience every night, it really was exhausting and it was really physically challenging as far as the emotional level of it, to every night perform to such an… because when you act, your body doesn’t know the difference between if this is real emotion or if this is a created or simulated event. So, you physically… your body goes through these emotions. And it was sometimes exhausting just to get up after that, you know, and go back to do it again and again. And there was another movie I did which had that same kind of level of emotional demand that was very challenging. It was called “Johnny.” And it was just… it’s about a mother who loses her child and she’s responsible for it and she can’t get over it.

David Read:
Oh gosh!

Musetta Vander:
And the guilt, she’s texting and she has a car accident and she never forgives herself for that. And the emotional, you know, and the director wanted a lot of emotion. So every day on set, there was so much emotion every day that when the day off came, I was like… literally just had to lie horizontal just to get my body back to like not getting sick, you know, because these emotions.

David Read:
Very easily, yeah. You have to be careful.

Musetta Vander:
Very easily make you sick. Yo-yo. Yeah, yeah.

David Read:
Do exploring these characters uncover, or help you uncover, facets of yourself that you didn’t expect to find?

Musetta Vander:
That’s an interesting question. I think that the characters that… when you get hired for a job, they hire you because they see something in you that they think is the character that they’re looking for. And I think we all have these parts within us. I think because of my training as a dancer, I think when I first got into playing these villains – I don’t consider myself a villain, at all, really, as a matter of fact. I don’t really think I’m like any of the characters that I play, you know, but I have them all within me. The first character I played that was a villain, it was Lash, and we were in Romania, and it was this out there sci-fi character. But the minute I got that costume on, and I had to, you know, you’re walking around with this whip and leather, and you know, in the future, and it’s cowboys and [aliens], and it’s like, immediately, in my imagination, I’m not on Earth anymore.

David Read:
Yeah.

Musetta Vander:
I am in this other reality. It’s just like when I was a kid, and I’m on a play, or stage, or in some show that I’m dancing in – I am that character. And suddenly all this stuff just comes out and goes to the next level. And you’re like, “Whoa! OK. That went way out there!” So yeah, definitely suddenly brings things out of the depths of you, which I’m like, “Oh, wow. OK.”

David Read:
Tell us about auditioning and getting the role for Shau’​nac.

Musetta Vander:
Well, that was very interesting. I remember auditioning going in for the reading. And I didn’t ever… I have this kind of mentality: once I go in, I give it my all; I give it my best, you know, job, my best audition. And then I walk out and I just try to forget about it. I don’t want to know because I don’t want to keep thinking about, “Oh, did I do it right? Did I do it wrong?“

David Read:
Dwelling on it. Yeah.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. I can’t dwell on it. I walk away and I just go like, “Well, if it’s meant to be.”

David Read:
Correct.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. You know, and then I got the call and I was like, “Oh! Wow! That’s so exciting!” And at that point, you know, traveling – I’m such a keen person to travel. And I had seen Stargate and I was a huge fan of it.

David Read:
All right!

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to me, sci-fi is not unrealistic. OK. I know people are like, “Oh, no, it’s like, nah.” Stargates; very possible. A lot of things; very, very possible, and sometimes I think these shows imitate life, you know, [connection drop] … you start digging, you find out a lot of information, you go, “Hm! OK. Maybe that’s where this idea’s coming from.” So, to me, it’s not far-fetched. So when I got the call and I flew to Vancouver, it was super exciting for me to be there. It was just, you know… to suddenly step into the show, and also that show had been going for quite a while at that point…

David Read:
Yeah.

Musetta Vander:
That’s always the most nerve-wracking: if you step into a show that already has a rhythm, you know, so you come in as like a one-day, a one guest-star episode, to get into the flow of it right away… and it was really fun because my first episode Peter DeLuise directed. And he’s such a prankster. It was hilarious!

David Read:
He’s a great guy.

Musetta Vander:
So funny!

David Read:
But he’s crazy.

Musetta Vander:
But, man, it’s so much fun. All the cast and the crew, they were so nice and so welcoming. And so it was… I really had a great time on that show.

David Read:
Did Chris [Judge] help you understand who the Jaffa were as a people? Did you infer that through the script? Who did you go to to figure out what kind of a creature this person was?

Musetta Vander:
Well, yeah, that’s a good question. It’s going back so far. I believe Chris helped me and explained to me who the Jaffa were and exactly what the symbiote was and how it all works. And, you know, because if you’re not following the show every day, it’s like it’s a whole world you have to step into and recreate. See, how do I fit in? How does this work? Yeah, so I definitely did a bunch of research, watched some episodes, tried to figure out how I would fit into this. And they’re also very good with guiding you, you know, and telling you, like, the names, you have unusual spellings.

David Read:
Right, exactly. It’s the little things that make a big difference.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah.

David Read:
You know, like who the Tok’ra were as a race and, you know, why… the mythology of the Goa’uld dated,… it was retro… reverse engineered from the feature film. But, I mean, we had… up until “Crossroads,” never had any idea that the Jaffa could talk to their symbiotes, or at least commune with them and hear what they were saying. And that was really, really kind of creepy.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, you know, it’s true. I think that in a way, for me, it was very interesting because it’s like that same basic idea of a human being being able to get into the silence of the mind and hearing the intuitive voice of the heart, you know, of the spirit. I’m not talking about Jaffa being that, but you know what I’m saying. And so I kind of used it in that sense, you know, for the character. For me, that was the parallel.

David Read:
Were you surprised at the twist at the end? Were you aware of the twist before you got to it, reading the script all the way through? Or were you not expecting it to go the way it did, where Tanith was faking all along? As it were.

Musetta Vander:
Well, you know, when you come in on a guest star – on one episode – you know pretty much you’re going to get killed.

David Read:
Not necessarily.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, it’s usually… sometimes it’s not. And then it’s like a couple, unless you’re becoming a regular on the show. But usually, you know when you’re the guest star and they’re hiring you for one episode; you’re either going to die or you’re going to go away somewhere. And chances are, because I usually play villains, I’m always thinking: “Well, this character’s probably going to die.” You know, and sure enough she did. But it makes for the drama, you know, it makes for the twists and the turns, so it it feeds the show, and I think that’s, I mean, I would have loved to stay.

David Read:
This is true. Well… and we’ll talk about your second appearance – an unexpected one at that, in just a moment. I have had the privilege of knowing Christopher [Judge] – really, really getting to know him and spend time with him just discovering his humanity. And if you want to talk about someone who’s just pure light and energy it is that man. I could not imagine trying to get through scenes with him.

Musetta Vander:
He was very funny and he was a big prankster. Between him and Peter it was just constant. I think I’ve told the story many, many times and I think my… I think my first scene… I don’t remember if it was the one where I stepped through the portal – through Stargate, or if it was when I was dead – it was one of those two.

David Read:
Oh geez!

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. But I remember… [I’ll] stand corrected on all of this, because we’ve gone back a long time now. I step through… like, you know… and I got the things [dress], and you rehearse it, and then Peter DeLuise goes, “And now with fire in your loins, you look over and you see Teal’c!” It was so funny, “with a fire in my loins’, I’ve been directed in many ways, nobody’s ever told me to look at somebody with fire in my loins. And I was like, “Well, yeah. OK. That’s taking it to another level!”

David Read:
That sounds about right.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, or when I’m dead, Christopher Judge, I’m lying like this, I’m all dead, and he’s got the feather around my nose.

David Read:
I wanted to see how that is… I want to jump to one of the fan questions earlier. Raj wants to know, what were the differences between the sets of SG-1 and Voyager? Because I’ve heard some stories that the Voyager sets were very aware of the internal mythology going back decades and seasons of multiple shows. And like a level of intensity that I can’t imagine was on the Stargate sets. Or was it very similar?

Musetta Vander:
Wow! Well, you know, firstly that’s a really specific question. When you come in like as an actor on a show and you’re only coming in for one episode, you don’t… you’re so concerned with doing everything that they want to make it work, you know? I wasn’t really focusing so much on whether it was, you know, following some kind of a history with the show or the sets. I know they were beautiful and I know they were all very well done. And I remember when I worked on Star Trek, a friend of mine came over to visit and they wanted to go into the main room, you know, and sit in the chair.

David Read:
Oh, the bridge, yeah.

Musetta Vander:
Yes, and sit in the bridge. And up to that point, I hadn’t even thought of taking a photo and sitting in the bridge, you know? But it was his dream to stand where the Borg regenerates.

David Read:
Oh, OK, yeah. The Borg sets were standing there too, yeah.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, so, you know, I got a picture on the bridge because of him. But when you’re in that mode of working, it’s like you’re not paying attention to those details.

David Read:
You’re doing your job.

Musetta Vander:
You’re doing your job.

David Read:
Yeah.

Musetta Vander:
They do their job amazingly well. All I have to focus on is am I doing my job well? Am I making this character believable?

David Read:
That makes a lot of sense. No, I mean, that’s a fair point. If you’re thinking about the legacy that you’re impacting, I suppose not only are you not doing your job, but you run the risk of altering the work in a way that makes it… makes you distracted. So who knows what could happen.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. That’s like something I didn’t research really at all. All [that’s] more important to me is the emotional life of the character, the history of the character which comes from; what is the purpose of her going here through this Stargate? What does she want to achieve? What’s the objective? And I know the sets were fantastic. Now, looking back, I can… actually, when I saw this episode, you sent it to me, it was really wild to sit back and, like, 20 years later, look at that with like a complete clean slate and see everything on there and look at all the intricacies of the set and the gate, and all of these things that wasn’t in my frame of thinking at the time when I was shooting it.

David Read:
It is a show that continues to withstand the test of time. Largely… well, the story and the characters; A. But B; the production values are high as well.

Musetta Vander:
Yes.

David Read:
And they really have withstood these changing eras since, I mean, it’s been like 20, you know, how many years since that first episode that you did?

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, crazy.

David Read:
Crazy.

Musetta Vander:
Crazy!

David Read:
And then… so you die. But then Christopher comes along and he had a story by credit in Season Five, but his first written-by is in Season Six, “The Changeling.” And I’m assuming you got a call.

Musetta Vander:
Yes, yes.

David Read:
I’m teeing it up for you there.

Musetta Vander:
I got a call, and I was so excited to go back. It was like… I had been waiting to go back on the show, and I was wondering how I would ever go back now that I’m dead in the show, but I know you can get resurrected in numerous ways.

David Read:
Correct.

Musetta Vander:
I thought there’d be some interesting way that could bring me back, so [connection drop] …wonderful when I got the call to work with Chris again – and a completely different version of Shau’​nac, which I liked. And I love that kind of… I like that episode a lot because of the complete dualism of the character that he has, you know, that he can’t just figure out if he’s in a dream, or is he in the past, in the future, and the back and forth, you know? So I like that very much. I like that show very much. I like both of them very much.

David Read:
Well, it’s an interesting episode because… as the fans, we’re not entirely sure what’s going on. As Shau’​nac, the emotional essence of her is intact, in terms of her love for that man, that Jaffa. But she’s not a Jaffa anymore; she’s human. So that must have been an interesting approach where it’s just like, “You know what? What the script says is what I’ll say.” I imagine you approached it from a very similar emotional space…

Musetta Vander:
Yes.

David Read:
But just not from… with that back of your mind that, “OK, I’m also un-earthly.” I imagine that was just disconnected.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. You know, for that character you, pretty much, you play just who you are as a human being in the relationship, because you’re not now part of some Jaffa or anything like that. You’re a human in a normal circumstance, a normal life event. So it’s all driven by the emotional component between the characters. And Martin [Wood] was very, very specific on how he wanted the character to be. So he was very different from Peter. They were both specific, but Martin was very, very particular on exactly how he wants every moment played. I liked it because it was a change from the Shau’​nac character who is the priestess.

David Read:
Right.

Musetta Vander:
You know, and a very real concerned wife for her husband going through something that’s; is he losing his mind? I mean, you know, concerned as to what’s going on. How do we fix this? You know?

David Read:
Right. And being… thinking of the possibility; “He may be thinking that I’m just an absolute hallucination. By the way, I am.” But how does a person kind of approach that? And you know those are like the scarier aspects that any of us have to go through in dealing with a person who is unwinding, you know? I mean we have – all of us have dealt, almost all of us have – dealt with family or with someone in our lives who have had Alzheimer’s or dementia or some kind of… at the darkest point schizophrenia or things like that. And for me there’s nothing scarier than losing your mind because it’s like losing your soul. It’s like losing your identity.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah.

David Read:
And on top of that, in this particular episode, he’s about to go through a major surgery to save his adopted father. And those are big life issues that people deal with.

Musetta Vander:
Yes, that’s really… I mean, there were a lot of things in that episode. I mean, it was the ultimate sacrifice of selflessness, of giving a kidney for another. If somebody goes to you and says, “I need your kidney’, I mean, what will you do? So that’s very, very deep. And I’m sure that would naturally cause a lot of anxiety on your own person, even though you want to do the right thing, how would your body manage that? So there’s a lot of that. That interplays, obviously, beautifully – Chris plays that beautifully. And that mixes in with when he flashes back to the other side, and back and forth. That anxiety carries through the whole episode, back and forth. So, yeah. I think when the mind is just kind of void and we don’t know where we are, what we have, we lose direction: we’re like a ship bobbing on the ocean. You don’t know where you’re going to end up.

David Read:
Exactly. Absolutely. It was such a pleasure to have you back. It was just one of those [un]expected things where it’s like, “You know what, SyFy? You can do anything. You can pull anything off.” I have some fans who have submitted some questions as well. Raj wanted to know: so Brad Wright has been developing a fourth Stargate series with MGM for a while now. I’ve been calling it SG4, just for short. And he and I are certainly interested to know, would you be opposed to appearing in that series?

Musetta Vander
Of course not!

David Read:
Right!

Musetta Vander:
I don’t think anybody would be, you know… I would love to. I mean, any actor would want to. It’s such a wonderful show and it’s so great to be part of such a legendary franchise. You know, yes, yes, yes. Anytime. Sign me up. When can we start?

David Read:
Would you step through a real Stargate, Teresa asked, and if so, where would you like it to take you?

Musetta Vander:
Ooh, that’s a good question. I would definitely step through a real Stargate, [at least] twice. And I’m kind of like… I would be… I would just let it take me wherever. I would first ask… I think at that point where you can step through Stargates, you can probably tune into the right direction for your being. And when you step through that portal or that Stargate, it will put you where you are meant to be to learn your next lesson, your next experience.

David Read:
Yeah, that’s interesting.

Musetta Vander:
That would be an intelligent, you know, live portal, right? With intelligence and vibratory qualities that you can say, “You know who I am. You feel me coming through there. Take me to whatever you decide would be the right place for me to land, that would be of benefit to me or the next thing I need to learn or work on, or whatever.”

David Read:
Sounds a little like “Fantasy Island.”

Musetta Vander:
Oh. Yeah.

David Read:
Talking about, yeah, people learning a lesson.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. I think all the lessons… you know, it’s like in life: life is a big learning lesson. So maybe I’ll take a.. I’ll touch the Stargate and I’ll say, “Take me somewhere fabulous.” And just live in bliss.

David Read:
That at least has oxygen.

Musetta Vander:
There’s all the things I like. It’s just peace and happiness and joy and love. That’s where I’d go.

David Read:
There you go.

Musetta Vander:
I don’t want war and fighting. Just somewhere nice and peaceful.

David Read:
No, we got enough of that here.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, take me somewhere beautiful.

David Read:
Eva Lipenska [says]; tell us a little bit about your experience on “Hawaii Five-0.” It was so great to see you there.

Musetta Vander:
Oh, thank you, Eva!. Well, in Hawaii Five-0, first of all, when I got Hawaii Five-0, I was like, “Yeah!” First of all – it was like Hawaii! And interestingly enough, one of the first movies I ever did with my ex-husband, we did a movie called “Under the Hula Moon.” And the music from Hawaii Five-0 was part of that movie. So I was familiar with Hawaii Five-0 before it ever came back. So when I got to go to do Hawaii Five-0, it was a dream come true, first of all. I liked the fact that I played a different character from what I normally play, you know, to play a sheriff, to go to the islands to work. I mean, gee, you know, these are the perks of the job and to work with the cast over there, which was very nice. It’s such a high-end production that everything is just top-notch. Every detail, sort of… the level of the quality of everything is super big-budget for TV. And it was a wonderful experience to go and do that. I always get taken away and killed off. Come on, man! Can I not be like a good cop.

David Read:
Better to have loved and lost, you know? That’s how I always look at it. It’s like… when I was lucky enough to stay – my dad’s ex-military and he’s retired – and lucky enough to stay on Ford Island, just across from Pearl, where the attack took place. And it was just like, these are experiences that no one can take from you. They’re just so, just so awe-inspiring to be there for that history. And Hawaii is just beautiful.

Musetta Vander:
Oh, I love Hawaii. I mean, honestly, I just absolutely love Hawaii. And so when I think back to stepping into that portal, I think I would definitely go somewhere where…

David Read:
Tropical.

Musetta Vander:
I just live on, and I keep going on.

David Read:
Absolutely.

Musetta Vander:
I’ve learned enough lessons here on every episode I’ve done, and in my life. I’m going somewhere, like, eternal.

David Read:
Kyle [asks]; the first role I ever saw you in was my favorite – so he says – Sindel in “Mortal Kombat: Annihilation.” Have you kept up with the franchise since, or know what has happened to the character? The new movie has just come out.

Musetta Vander:
I know. Thank you, Kyle. I have.. well, all the actors who were on that, we’ve all kind of kept in touch. So we are still friends to this day.

David Read:
OK.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. So actually I spoke to Sandra – the Sonya Blade and Mortal Kombat Annihilation – two weeks ago and said, “We have to go see the new version of the movie, the new Sonya Blade. You know, it’s like 20 years later.” I’m sure it’s going to be stellar, you know, because of just the improvements technologically and special effects and all those things. It looks amazing when you look at it. Have we been following the franchise? Yes and no, because I see things coming in and I see some of the… because I get alerts when something goes on with any of the shows, and I know that there’s been… I look at the new character, the animated character that they’ve drawn, and go, “It kind of looks a lot like me.” But nobody came to me and asked me.

David Read:
“Should I contact my lawyer?”

Musetta Vander:
“Hello? I think that looks a lot like me.” [connection drop] Yeah, so I do keep up with that sense. I don’t follow it religiously. It’s quite a violent movie.

David Read:
It is indeed. Yeah. Not everyone’s cup of tea.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah – “Mortal Kombat.”

David Read:
I can’t remember the last one. I was a big fan of the Sega game. So I must say.

Musetta Vander:
Which one?

David Read:
The Sega Genesis game. Going way back.

Musetta Vander:
OK. Yeah, yeah. You see, I wasn’t like… I didn’t ever,like, play the video games until I got the movie. And I thought, “Oh, I better go find out who the Sindel is.”

David Read:
For sure. Exactly. There’s a whole story. The mythology for Mortal Kombat is like anything else: it’s miles deep if you know where to look.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. Well, very, very much, right? It’s always about… it’s like a Mortal Kombat that continues in our daily lives at the moment.

David Read:
Exactly. Carlos Takeshi [asks], was there any special prep involved for playing Praying Mantis in “Buffy”?

Musetta Vander:
No, there wasn’t any special prep. I think, for that show… it was one of the first seasons of Buffy. And all the technology was just starting, you know, with the head rotation, all of that stuff. I didn’t do any special prep. I think I drew on my dance background for that character to give it that, like, praying mantis feel, you know, when she talked. Or just the movements that she had. That kind of [acts: insect arms]… just give it a little bit of that. So that’s probably the most preparation I did, because I tried to give it a little bit of that influence of that insect-like feel.

David Read:
Yeah, absolutely. That’s kinda creepy.

Musetta Vander:
You know, that’s one of those things too. Once you get on the set and around the characters, it’s just organic. It just comes out of you. I believe very much in the power of words. It’s not like I need to go and think of how I’m going to live that word – I feel it. I can feel a word. It just has its own vibratory energy and emotional life to it. So if I’m programming a praying mantis and I’ve been looking at how to move, it’s automatic for me when I play a character.

David Read:
It’s amazing how makeup and environment can influence a performance. You just you intuit that certain things feel a certain way, and certain things are like, “No. I had this idea. This doesn’t work once you add this ingredient.”

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. Absolutely. And that was, for me, very… any movie you really do, but like in Sindel’s case… I remember when I when I got the audition and I went into to do the audition how it was like out there and they wanted large, they wanted big. But until you go… when I finally got to London and then they brought me the wig and the costumes are made. I mean, if I look at it today, the costumes that we have at that stage… which mine was just a lycra leotard, right? It wasn’t like any… I look at that costume there behind you and I go, [inaudible] perfect.

David Read:
Oh. Yeah, that’s a whole thing.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, but you know what I mean? It’s not like hard armor. It’s just like a little leotard. When you climb into it, then you are Sindel.

David Read:
Right.

Musetta Vander:
So, yeah, that definitely… and then you of course when you’re in an environment like Petra Jordan and you’re between these ancient things.

David Read:
Oh my gosh. Yes.

Musetta Vander:
I think I’ve told the story many times, but in case some of your viewers haven’t heard it: it’s when I was on that horseback, and we ride in on that horseback with Brian Thompson. They asked me to do that scream – and that’s a moment where you would things come out that you didn’t know you had. For me, I was just going to do a scream, but when I leaned over like that and screamed across that valley, suddenly it was like this energy surged through me, and I yelled so strongly across it that I had, like, goose flesh after. It was, like, tingling because it reverberated through that canyon. And it was eerie. I mean, I get goose flesh even when just thinking of it.

David Read:
You had an experience. Yeah. It transcended your humanity. Yeah.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, I just pulled it in from, like, wherever and I was that and I was… I mean the power of sound, you know, can shatter things as it is.

David Read:
There’s also something very…

Musetta Vander:
[References birds outside]

David Read:
That’s alright. There’s something very cosmic about Petra, too, that’s just absolutely…

Musetta Vander:
Oh! Magnificent place.

David Read:
Mind-boggling, you know.

Musetta Vander:
Mind-boggling place.

David Read:
Yeah.

Musetta Vander:
It’s so incredible. Such an incredible experience to have been there.

David Read:
MeepMeep189 [asks], what was it like working with Garrett [Wang] on Voyager?

Musetta Vander:
Garrett was a doll. He was super sweet, he was super kind, and he was super fun, you know? Our first scene we shot together was when I end up in the shuffle craft.

David Read:
Oh, OK.

Musetta Vander:
That was my first scene with Garrett. Yeah, when I landed.. when they beat me into the shuttlecraft and the two of us were gonna go on that little trip. And yeah, so all those moments you see between us is like organic. We didn’t rehearse it or plan it. Also, on those shows, it moves like this, right?

David Read:
Very fast.

Musetta Vander:
And then you move and you got all this dialogue. And I think that giggle and laughter was both like, “Oh my gosh, this is nerve-wracking, but isn’t it great?!” And it kind of worked for the character, you know. But yeah, I love Garrett. Super nice guy. I bump into him often when we go to these events and conventions. And a really wonderful person.

David Read:
He’s doing a podcast with Robert Duncan McNeil right now called “The Delta Flyers,” and they’re going through episode by episode doing commentaries.

Musetta Vander:
Are they, really?

David Read:
I think that they’re on Season Three right now. So Season Five is just around the corner. He may be hitting you up. I wouldn’t be surprised.

Musetta Vander:
I’m going to check in and see what happens.

David Read:
Absolutely. Yeah. What a great episode that was. You know, I love that show as a whole, as much as I love the franchise, if you can tell.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, I see it.

David Read:
But, you know, that was a great show because Harry was so by the book. And then you came in like a rock to his head. And with this… what was ultimately some kind of virus in his body that forced him to behave differently, but also it made him grow up more. That character, you know, was forced to be in a situation where he was like,”You know what? I’m not who I was when I got on this ship four years ago.” And that was a really solid episode, on a number of levels.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. I think that that was a wonderful arc for his character, you know, from being like a good guy in breaking free and breaking rules. And I love that character because I love… I don’t like having rules. I’m very independent. And if I was on a Starfleet, I would probably be like, “I want to go that way. And I’m taking my own ship.”

David Read:
Yeah, “Let’s take our chunk of ship and head toward that nebula.”

Musetta Vander:
“Let’s go that way!”

David Read:
Exactly. Exactly right.

Musetta Vander:
So it was like this subliminal casting. I don’t know what it is when I get it. It’s like they go, “She’s the rebel. Get her.”

David Read:
Absolutely. And it was an interesting episode also about the perspective of the individual versus the collective. At what point do the interests of the collective hinder to a breaking point the interests of the individual? And that episode addresses that.

Musetta Vander:
That is exactly right. And I think the independent growth and spurts of whatever character you are, whatever human being you are, you have to have that freedom to grow and not be pushed into a collective to think like the mass, that’s not… that’s, in my opinion, against my nature and against what I would want to do if I was part of a like a collective group, I would definitely be like…

David Read:
Absolutely. It’s that’s the thing that I love about sci-fi is that you can ask those questions and let the audience infer what they are going to infer.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, you’ve got to grow. You have so much potential in your body and in your spirit and in your soul that you need to awaken. And I think if you stuck to the collective, you might not get to be your full potential.

David Read:
Exactly. Vanesa [asks], can you share with us any anecdotes from when you were in New Zealand working as, is it “Ilainus”? Am I pronouncing that right?

Musetta Vander:
Yes, yes, yes.

David Read:
…on Xena. Greetings from Peru.

Musetta Vander:
Whoa! Hello there! Wow, Peru!

David Read:
I know.

Musetta Vander:
It’s on my bucket list, man! I need to go out there. I want to go up right up to Machu Picchu.

David Read:
Oh! Yes, absolutely.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. Well, on Xena, that was… well, I’ve told the story many times, but if you haven’t heard it, I’ll tell you the story. When I got the episode of Xena, it was right there when everybody thought the world was going to come to an end. It was 1999 going into the year 2000. And I don’t know; everybody’s like, “I’m going to die.” And so I flew to New Zealand. I got there and we had to do our preparations for the fight scenes. And so Lucy Lawless is a doll. And so we rehearsed our fight shot, and it was over back on Lucy, and this big roundhouse kick because I wanted to be really good. Because, you know, I was a dancer. So I wanted to have that round nose go like, you know. So, and, in the process, I tore my hamstring.

David Read:
Oh!

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. On the first shot, I tore the hamstring. Yeah. So now I’m like, “Oh! OK, I haven’t even shot the turnaround on my side. How am I…? Do I tell them? Do I not tell them?”

David Read:
You gotta tell them.

Musetta Vander:
So I was like… I just kept going.

David Read:
You did?

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, I had to. But the roundhouse kick became like a bent leg roundhouse kick. It was like that. If you actually look at the roundhouse, you’ll see my foot is flexed and I’m kicking with a bent leg. Not nearly as high. But the funny anecdote from there is… like, I get into these characters, just like when I gave that shriek across Petra, Jordan in that thing. I became Ilainus in that moment. You gave me a sword, and hamstring torn or not, I’m going to go in for taking out Xena. That is it. Xena is my target. And at one point at the end, the choreography is I have her down over the barrel and I have the sword like this over her neck. She looks up at me and she goes, “I’m not really Xena!” And that moment, I will never forget. And I was like, “Oh my gosh! I’m so sorry!” Because my imagination… you’re in this outfit and I have these swords and I’m like, “I don’t care if my leg is blown off. I am going in to take Xena out!”

David Read:
There’s a certain point when you get so into it… Christopher Judge told this story too. There was a later episode called “Italian” near the end of the series. And there was a guest star who was kicking the crap out of him like almost at full energy and, I mean, he was like, “This guy is tearing me up.” And he had little choice but to respond in kind. There was only… he was asking, and it just wasn’t happening. You have to defend yourself.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. You know, it’s like at that moment… it’s just an innate thing that happens when you have words that you don’t normally say. It’s like in that moment you become… I mean, it was all within reason…

David Read:
Yeah. But still another part of your personality is taking over.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, definitely. I mean, we all have multiple, multiple different layers of the personality, you know, so…

David Read:
For sure.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, and this goes and combines and recombines in the subatomic levels of the mind. So you pull that out and you can play anything. Some characters I don’t want to go near because I don’t want to have that experience or that memory. I don’t want to go through that.

David Read:
At least, yeah, not again. Yeah, there are certain aspects. I think that’s the thing: as a performer, it’s like you go into certain places to explore the truth of a scene, and some of the things that you uncover, it’s like, “Yeah, OK, that’s a part of me, but that can go back in the drawer now.”

Musetta Vander:
Or you’ve got to transform it, right? Once you pull that out you transform it. Because you don’t want that to stay in the body.

David Read:
Right.

Musetta Vander:
If you play like, I don’t know, a serial killer or something, and every day you have to create that reality, or I mean, poof, you definitely want to hear that out of your.. at a cellular level when you’re done, because the memories will stay.

David Read:
Yeah. From a holistic perspective, it’s like…

Musetta Vander:
Oh, definitely!

David Read:
…OK, this was necessary for this part, and now it’s… you know, and that’s a challenging enough… I mean, not to say that oh, I’m gonna go and kill someone, you know, but even thinking those things, even dwelling on those things, to a degree is… you know, there’s a certain amount of healthiness in being aware of the darker aspects of your nature. But you can get sucked in. You can dwell.

Musetta Vander:
And this is not just about acting, right? This is in life too. You sit and you dwell on some event in your life that made you upset. You hold on to that, and you hold on to that, and you hold on, and you keep building on it. Eventually ,suddenly, you’ll have some emotional trigger.

David Read:
Correct. Something will give.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. And it affects the health of your body. Yeah. So I think that’s the beauty of having known about the energy stuff I do and the healing stuff I do because I can let go of that. I can let go of that and not have that carry forward in my life.

David Read:
Absolutely. JohnFourtyTwo [asks], did you get bullwhip training for the “Oblivion” movies?

Musetta Vander:
I did.

David Read:
Tell us about that!

Musetta Vander:
Yeah, I had the same trainer [as] Michelle Pfeiffer for Cat Woman, so that was pretty amazing. When I got that movie and they came with the bullwhip, we would go train in the park close to my house here. And it was really funny because we would have the whip, I’m standing in traffic, and traffic’s going by, and there’s this girl in the middle of a park whipping a bullwhip, cracking a bullwhip, and everybody’s driving by going, “What is that?’

David Read:
“Just rehearsing. Move along.”

Musetta Vander:
So, the beginning, about how to use a bullwhip, you get some nice lashes. You’re like, “I’m going to be a little more careful.”

David Read:
Yeah, absolutely. No, you can hurt yourself.

Musetta Vander:
Oh, yeah.

David Read:
Jeez, absolutely. Lorraine [says], I first saw you in Highlander. So would you rather be an immortal or a warrior woman Jaffa in a future role?

Musetta Vander:
I want to be an immortal. Yeah, I’ve died enough.

David Read:
Yeah, they’ve put the white powder on my face plenty of times. I got it. That’s one of the things in Crossroads, you look dead.

Musetta Vander:
I do, right?

David Read:
They did a good job.

Musetta Vander
I love the makeup. The makeup and the hair. It was just amazing. I loved all that, with the big hair.

David Read:
Exactly.

Musetta Vander:
Oh, I love it!

David Read:
Do you… Oh, I already asked that. OK. Those are the fan questions that I had submitted. Thank you so much to everyone who submitted those.

Musetta Vander:
Thanks guys.

David Read:
This was fantastic to have you on. I have really looked forward to meeting you for a very long time. And one of the great things about this show for me is to not only connect with the people that I knew when the show was in production, but to connect with people like you who I didn’t have the chance to sit down with when it was first on. So it means a lot to have you on.

Musetta Vander:
Oh, thank you so much! It was so fun to be here. Thank you everybody for the questions, and I wish everybody a beautiful week ahead, whatever you’re going to be doing.

David Read:
We are going to be moving into a new phase with Dial the Gate in the future where I want to start doing episode commentaries, and I would love to have you back on for potentially a commentary for “Crossroads” and, or “The Changeling.”

Musetta Vander:
Love to!

David Read:
Take a look at them in depth.

Musetta Vander:
Yeah. Love to.

David Read:
Thank you so much for taking the time. I’ll send you an email in a little bit, but you can go ahead and disconnect, and I’m going to wrap up the show on this side.

Musetta Vander:
OK. Bye, everybody.

David Read:
Thank you, Musetta.

Musetta Vander:
Thank you so much. Bye-bye.

David Read:
Musetta Vander: Shau’​nac from Stargate SG-1. Thanks so much for tuning in to Dial the Gate. My name is David Read. We did three shows today. And, yeah, I really appreciate you sticking around. We are giving away an item for the month of April. Dial the Gate has partnered with Big J Customs to give you a chance to get your very own pop figure. To enter to win these items, you’re going to need to use a desktop or laptop computer and visit dialthegate.com. Scroll down to submit trivia questions. Your trivia may be used in a future episode of Dial the Gate, either for our monthly trivia night or for a special guest to ask me in a round of trivia. There’s three slots: one easy, one medium, one hard. You only need to fill one in, but you’re more than welcome to submit up to three. Please note: the submission form does not currently work for mobile devices. And your trivia must be received before May 1st. If you’re the lucky winner, I’ll be notifying you via your email to get your address. Be sure to check out our partner’s website for more Stargate-related merchandise at bigjcustomsart.com. And this show is brought to you every week for free, and we do appreciate you watching. But if you want to support us further by yourself a t-shirt. We’re now offering themed swag: t-shirts, tank tops, sweatshirts, and hoodies for all ages in a variety of sizes and colors at Redbubble. Checkout is fast and easy, and you can even use your Amazon or PayPal account. Just visit dialthegate.redbubble.com. And thanks for your support. That’s all the news that’s fit to print. Questions for David and the show… Eva [asks], any special plans for the 100th episode? Boy, we are approaching that fast, aren’t we? So, that’s going to be around, at this velocity, what, July? Somewhere around there. How much should I say? I don’t know if it would be 100. But there’s a certain convention that’s coming up digitally this July – that’s usually in July – but there was a digital one last year and there’s going to be a digital one this year. And I’m hoping to get a place in that convention lineup and hoping to do our first cast roundtable of a certain series that we cover. I have made some inquiries with certain cast members, and they have said yes, they’re down to do it. So, we will have to wait and see. The convention would get the digital exclusive first, and then Dial the Gate would air the extended unedited version for our show a little bit after that. So maybe that will line up with the 100th, if that happens at all. So we’ll see. There are plans within plans at work. And that’s all that we’ve got. I think that’s everything that I’ve meant to hit. Tracy, you’ve done a great job the past few weeks. Sommer has been recovering. All love to Sommer. Keith, Jeremy, Reece, Antony – you guys are making the show happen. I can’t do all of this by myself and you guys definitely pull it off. GateGabber – Linda Furey, same. Jennifer Kirby, same. Absolutely. Next weekend, we’ve got two interviews heading your way. We usually do one interview a weekend, and that was this weekend. Next weekend, prosthetics makeup artist and founder of Masters FX, Todd Masters. He’s going to be joining us at 2PM Pacific Time on May 2nd. Two hours before him – I went in reverse – two hours before him at 12PM Pacific Time, May 2nd, Stargate film composer – legendary composer, in my opinion – David Arnold is going to be joining us from the UK to primarily discuss his Stargate feature film score. I have loved this score since I saw the movie in the late 1990’s, and I think Joel did some amazing stuff with it in the show. I don’t think anyone but Joel Goldsmith could have done the series. So much of what Joel used as a springboard for the show, certainly the theme itself – the core theme, was the Stargate feature film theme. And so we’re going to have David on to discuss that. Very excited about that interview. Hope you can join us for both David Arnold and Todd Masters. Hoping to get Robert C. Cooper rescheduled in the next couple of weeks here for a deeper dive into the production of Stargate Atlantis, particularly the pilot episode. That’s everything that we have. I really appreciate you tuning in and helping make the show possible. 81 episodes. Let’s proceed on to that previously mentioned 100. You know, just a little bit of more time and we’ll be there. My name is David Read for Dial the Gate. Thanks so much for tuning in, and we’ll see you on the other side.