019: SG-1 2×09 & 10 Secrets and Bane LIVE Rewatch
019: SG-1 2x09 & 10 Secrets and Bane LIVE Rewatch
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David Read:
Welcome to episode 19 of Dial the Gate. My name is David Read. Thank you so much for tuning in. Hope you’re having a great weekend. We just got off the video chat with Suanne Braun: Hathor from Stargate: SG-1 and now I have a friend of mine waiting in the wings. You know him at Aiden Ford. You may also know him as Detective Chuck Beaman from Umbrella Academy. It is actor Rainbow Sun Francks, waiting in the wings over here. I have him in my earphones here, so… before we bring Rainbow in, I have something that I would like to ask everyone to do. Before we get started, if you like Stargate and you want to see more content like this on YouTube, it would mean a great deal if you click that Like button. It really makes a difference with YouTube’s algorithm, and will definitely help the show grow its audience. Please also consider sharing this video with a Stargate friend, and if you want to get notified about future episodes, click the Subscribe icon. Giving the bell icon a click will notify you the moment new videos drop, and you’ll get my notifications of any last-minute guest changes. This is key if you plan on watching live, because these talent are working and things are getting crazy. And clips of this livestream will be released over the course of the next several days on both the Dial the Gate and Gateworld.net YouTube channels. Without further ado, let me bring in the man of the hour! Mr. Rainbow Sun Francks.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Am I in?
David Read:
You are in!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Hi everybubby [sic], it’s me, I’m Rainbow! How are you today?
David Read:
I’m good, brother, how are you?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m good. Are we streaming this as well?
David Read:
We are!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, hi everybubby [sic]! That’s sweet. I didn’t know that.
David Read:
Yeah! I’ve got 70 people – 80! 80 concurrent viewers currently in here right now saying hello to you.
Rainbow Sun Francks: I love – wow! Love it! Hello!
David Read:
So where are you right now? You in Vancouver? You in Toronto? Where are you?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m in my bedroom in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
David Read:
You’re like a proton: I can never keep an eye on you.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
It’s true – well, I found a containment unit for myself during this pandemic. I’m just staying in these four walls, really, for the next while.
David Read:
Gosh. You managing OK? You’re working!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m working! We’re lucky up here in Canada. We’ve managed to get it to the point where we can start filming, so I’ve already shot two movies and a guest [role] on a TV show, and I just started a new Netflix animated gig, as well.
David Read:
Really? Tell me about the animated gig.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I can’t!
David Read:
OK, it wouldn’t be Love, Death, and Robots, would it?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, I wish!
David Read:
Oh, isn’t that brilliant?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, it’s a brand-new – it’s a show for kids. I just signed the papers so I can’t, but.
David Read:
No, absolutely! No, very good! Well good for you! That’s…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
It is fun. It’s cool, my character’s really cool. It’s going to be a fun project.
David Read:
Was it strange going back to work?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
The first time, I guess – I started working in July, I think, was the first time we went back. And it was super weird. Also, more just, the interactions with everyone… you know, on set, it’s such a family and you become this family as you build and work together over the weeks or months. Or years, obviously.
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
But even when you start a new project, it’s like, you want to get your relationships started early, and like, you know, getting to know everyone so that you’re comfortable working those long hours. And with the masks on, I didn’t even know what anyone looked like. So it’s really hard to know who you’re meeting all the time when it’s just this guy, so you have to start learning people by how they dress, because – and their body shape and stuff, because I don’t really know what they look like. So that made it really sort of strange. But once we got over it and got into the work, it was fun. But it’s weird; the precautions… there’s different hours, now.
David Read:
You have wristbands or watches that you wear for, like, proximity… I know Martin Wood – his projects – they’re doing all that. Everyone’s wearing wristbands.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, so, there are different-colored wristbands like going to the nightclub now, it’s like you get VIP and stuff like that. I mean I don’t have it because I’m acting, so they can’t put the wristband on, but…
David Read:
Right, that’s true. Making it work.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
It’s weird. There’re a lot of precautions. There’s testing every three days. Which is great, it’s just great. I’m just happy to be able to work, to be honest. Like, I didn’t work for almost a year, you know. Cause this sort of hit after being off for Christmas and I just shot High Fidelity and I thought that we were, like, I was just taking a break, and getting ready to shoot the next season, and then all of the sudden we got cancelled! And I was like, “oh great!” And we’re in lockdown, and there’s just no work, and I’m just like, “OK.”
David Read:
“What happens next?” Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Eat my fingers and sell everything I own is what happens next.
David Read:
Yeah, basically.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Trying to survive, you know?
David Read:
You gotta do what you have to.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
So I’m really happy that we’re back to work. Yeah.
David Read:
You are from Toronto, so you’re back in your home city?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I’m at home.
David Read:
And you are from an acting family.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Very much so.
David Read:
Rest in peace, Don [Francks].
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
Tell us about young Rainbow Francks. In Cree [Summer Francks], you have an older sister…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I do.
David Read:
…who is also in the family profession. Your mom, too!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
My mom is a professional dancer who got into acting as well. And does a lot of theater to this day. She still does theater, which is amazing.
David Read:
Was it a foregone conclusion that this is what you were going to do with your life, or were [your parents] open to you becoming whatever you were going to become; whatever was going to make you happy?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
So, the first job I ever did, I was, like, three years old, and I had two or three lines on this CBC – Canadian Broadcasting Company – show called Hangin’ In. My father got cast as a sort of hippy, gypsy, hippy guy who travels around, and they asked him about having a family, and he said, “well, just bring my freak-ass family on.” And so they hired all of us.
David Read:
Wow!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
So my mom was there. And my sister; and we all were in this thing. And that was the first thing I ever said on television – and my only line that made it was, “and my name’s Rainbow.” And I was like, this big, in my mom’s arms. Which is amazing! So I was like, my dad made sure that we were at least comfortable, and also visiting him on set since I was that big. It only seemed natural, I think, for my sister and I. She got started early, as well. I think she started when she was eight or maybe seven or eight. Doing some films. So it was one of those things that we knew exactly what was possible if we wanted it. I rebelled several times in my life. In high school, I decided I didn’t want to do that. I was going to play basketball, I was going to do all this other stuff, and then it always came back, you know? My dad would be like, “Hey, there’s an audition if you want it. You know, your agent – I know you said you don’t want to do this, but there’s an audition if you want it.” So around sixteen, I went back and I did a movie with a great director named Clement Virgo: a black director from Toronto who was always pushing boundaries with his film and he was an amazing – he still is – an amazing man. I haven’t talked to him in a minute, though. We ended up doing like, five movies together. And that was when I decided, “OK, I guess I’m doing this.” He hired me and basically put me in every single project of his for the next few years. And then I was like, “OK. This is all I’m doing.” My dad sat me down one day and he was like, “You can do a regular job, or you can come here and do this.” And it really wasn’t a choice for me. It’s like, “Yeah, I’ll do this.” Yeah.
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
But I’ve been doing this a long fucking time, that’s all I know. And still struggling!
David Read:
And that’s part of the process. You know, 94% – I think… I forget what it was – Tony Amendola told us a few weeks ago, you know: 94% of you are out of work any given week.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh yeah!
David Read:
So there’s a certain rhythm that you have to get into it or you’ll just kill yourself. You know? One in ten auditions? If you get one in ten, you’re doing good, you know?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
One in ten is great. Yeah. Yeah. One in ten is great. There was a time when I was booking 50% for a minute, and my agent called me and he was like, “I don’t know what you’re doing, but, like – ” because they take, like, stats, and he’s like, “You’re killing the stats right now!” But then the next six months, it’s like, you don’t even get anything, you know. It’s a weird business.
David Read:
You gotta pick it up while you can, you know?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
You have to have such thick skin to do this for a long time. Because people can do it for a little while, but when it’s tough – after Stargate, I did another TV show, but there was a while where I just didn’t work very much at all, and it was mostly because of myself. Because it’s all so just – how you’re feeling, as well. It’s going to affect how you do in auditions and all that stuff.
David Read:
I would imagine – we’ll get into it a little bit, but I would imagine that you’re “promised” a five-year contract right out of the gate, and then the whole process of making a television show is so purely subjective, they’re going to take it in whatever way they want, and not everybody gets to stay on that boat as it sails from one end to the other. And there were a lot of cast rotations in that particular show.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And in the case of Atlantis, most of us didn’t get to stay on the boat.
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Or they fell off and then they dragged them back on, somehow.
David Read:
You had your cameo, too!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, yeah.
David Read:
Absolutely! Thanks to Martin Gero. That’s a great little bit!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, yeah. I love Gero. Gero’s great.
David Read:
He’s a good guy, and you want to talk about someone prolific, he’s just not stopping. Who are some of your personal heroes? Professionally both as just as you know as a person, someone that you look up to as just a good, honorable, human being?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I mean, so many of my close friends are my heroes, you know? People that – I would say, like, my friend Toby, you know what I mean? But it doesn’t mean anything to anyone here. But I have so many of my close, personal friends that I really look up to. My circle is very small. But those that are in it, I look up to very much. But as far as, like, growing up and stuff, my father was everything to me. He was really my best friend. He really made up who my sister and I are, creatively, and showed us what was possible. That you could do anything. He really – you know, it’s like, you always tell kids, “You can do anything, you can be anything!” He was, “do everything, and be anything.” So he really showed – he didn’t just say it, he showed by example that you can do anything. You can take up any hobby you want and be almost at a professional level with it and whatever you do professionally, you do at such a high level that everyone’s in awe around you of your energy and the magic that you create. He’s such a great singer and performer, and such a great man. And did just insane – you know, he was on the first Rainbow Warrior going to save the whales with Greenpeace. If you look through that book of the history of Greenpeace, he’s right there. He helped be the foundation for Canadian television; an unsung hero in Canadian television because we don’t really have a star system here, we just sorta do the work and then fade away here in Canada, unless we make it in America. He just did such wonderful, amazing things. And my sister, I feel the same way about. She’s my hero. She has taught me so much about being a good human and a good person. And creatively, she’s just a genius, as well. She’s unbelievable. Yeah, I have so many heroes and sheroes [sic]; I just worked with Katherine O’Hera. She’s one of my sheroes [sic] in life. Oh my god.
David Read:
I have not seen the show [Schitt’s Creek] yet, but I’m looking forward –
Rainbow Sun Francks:
You haven’t seen it yet?
David Read:
No, it’s on my list. I know it’s good.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Well, I sneak in for, like, a minute and a half in the last season. Thanks to Dan Levy who got me in there before it was over. But I got to do my scenes with Katherine O’Hera, and that was just like… oh my god.
David Read:
Well you’re my age, we grew up on Home Alone and Beetlejuice, and you know…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And we had SCTV up here. Which was her and Eugene Levy just going off.
David Read:
That’s right!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And John Candy… and, you know, so we – I was really lucky that that was just every day on TV. For anyone watching, it’s basically the greatest Saturday Night Live or MAD TV or any of the, like, sketch shows. But it was every day. Or Kids in the Hall, that we also had Kids in the Hall up here. Yeah.
David Read:
Kids in the Hall!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I have so many heroes. Michael Jordan’s my hero. Mike Tyson’s my hero, man. Yeah, I have so many of them. There are so many people on this Earth, but I see people when I’m going out to – when we used to have conventions, I’d meet my heroes all the time, too, and be in awe of all these people that we’d meet. All the time. And hopefully become friends with some of them. Yeah, I don’t know, man.
David Read:
The last time I was with you, we were sharing a small space with David DeLuise.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh my –
David Read:
Talk about another tremendous powerhouse.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, I absolutely love that man. So much. He has the ability to make everyone in the room feel calm and loved and special. While his brother has the ability to yell and swear at you, and still make you feel loved and special.
David Read:
Oh gosh, absolutely. That’s what you gotta do to get someone out of you as a director, you know? Some of the best kinds are the actors directors, so. Have you worked with Amanda Tapping as a director yet, by any chance?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I have not, I have not.
David Read:
Man, she is taking off!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
There have been a couple shows that I auditioned for that she’s – I’ve seen her name attached, but I just didn’t get [them]. And I’ve never called her like, “Hey man, uh…”
David Read:
Right, pulled a… yeah. Just a matter of time, man.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
But she’s – oh my – she’s always… when I’m getting one-sheets, she’s always on them. She must be just incredibly busy. I love her so much. She’s so lovely.
David Read:
Perfectly genuine. There’s not a bit of fake about her.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I agree completely. I have to say that we are so lucky. For some reason, Stargate, as an alumni, we have this really amazing base of actors because everyone – there’s not one person that I’ve met that I really haven’t gotten on with, to be honest. Which is like, on other shows, I’m not gonna – every other show I’ve done, other than – High Fidelity was the same way – where it’s just like, everyone just gets along. Everyone’s lovely. Like, Everyone’s amazing. Other shows have, like, horrible stories. People fucking hate each other. And we’re blesseDavid Read: every time we go around the world and see each other, it’s like, “Ahhh, there you are! Hey buddy!”
David Read:
I think that comes from the top. I think it’s a tone that Richard Dean Anderson and Michael Greenburg set alongside Brad Wright and Rob Cooper in the beginning and then Season Eight of SG-1/Season One of Atlantis when you came along – that was the standard. Just no BS, you know? We’re going to come, we’re going to do the work, and we’re going to have fun. And if you don’t wanna have fun, this is not the place for you.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, yeah, yeah! I’ll take that, some of it.
D
Let’s go back to Stargate. DId you see the feature film in the theaters? You’re a bit of a sci-fi fan, definitely a gamer.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m more than a bit of a sci-fi fan. Hold on just a second, I can’t breathe. Just a second. I’m going to mute you while I blow my nose like an asshole.
David Read:
OK. And we’re going to go over here, and you’re going to get to stare at my lovely face while Rainbow blows his nose so that he can breathe. Look at this lovely menagerie back here. This Stargate art you will be able to partake in.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh boy, you’re my guy. Stretch it out, stretch it out, stretch it out.
David Read:
What?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I didn’t see the film in – did I see it in theaters, or did I see it on…
David Read:
I wasn’t there.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I reckon I saw it on VHS.
David Read:
Oh, OK.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah. When I was young, I didn’t go to the theater as much. I remember I saw Return of the Jedi, but I was like, this big.
David Read:
[Inaudible], yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, but that was like, the Star Wars – the first trilogy – was like, that’s our Christmas movie in our family. That’s what we would watch over Christmas together. My Father, my sister. My mom didn’t care for it, but my father, my sister. That was what we would do all the time. So I don’t think I saw the original in theaters, I think I saw it on VHS.
David Read:
Was the series already going at that point?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, no, no.
David Read:
Okay, that was before that.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, this was before the television show, yeah.
David Read:
And SG-1: did you follow at all when it was first airing?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
SG-1, I knew of, but I didn’t watch it. I had only seen maybe a few episodes here and there. In Canada, I didn’t know where to watch it. It was kind of weird. In America, it would have been easier for me. So when I got to set, I remember saying, “Hey, I know this much.” And I said, “Hey Brad, can I borrow some tapes?” And he just went, like, “Hey, get Rainbow a set of tapes.” And the next thing I knew, I had all the seasons on DVD. So that’s what I would do in my trailer in between shooting, when it was…
David Read:
Ah, you’d catch up!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
…when it was “hurry up and wait” time. I was watching SG-1 the whole time we were shooting the first season.
David Read:
Why do you think the franchise is so evergreen? What keeps people coming back to it, generation after generation? You’ve now had a chance to meet a couple, yourself. The same people who – and new members of the audience who are now discovering it on streaming. What the hell is going on? Something’s happening.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I think Stargate has that really delicate balance of adventure, life lessons, and fun. There’s comedy, there’s… it really has that lovely balance where it’s a sci-fi show that gives you everything. You’re not watching it and when you sit down you’re like, “Oh, alright, I got to watch this show,” which is what I do for some shows. Like, I got to prepare to watch this show.
David Read:
Yeah, Uhuh. A mindset.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
You’re like, no, I can just sit down, I can drop in. I love all these characters. It’s still going to be engaging, but it’s not overly anything. It’s just sort of wonderfully round. You know? It’s a really rounded sort of show. And I think that’s what endears it to the audiences. Yeah, I think it’s just really a well-balanced show. And as far as sci-fi goes, there’s just something for everyone in there.
David Read:
Absolutely.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
I was talking with Suanne Braun earlier; it’s like, in some respects, it’s more relevant now than it was, depending on whatever subject matter the episode deals with. And that’s kinda spooky when you go along.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
What got you into Stargate?
David Read:
Rick. Richard Dean Anderson, I think, really was the hook for me, because I…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
You were such a MacGyver fan?
David Read:
No, not at all. I knew who he was, and he had just come off of a TV miniseries called Pandora’s Clock that had just come out before SG-1 had gone into syndication.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I don’t know that.
David Read:
It’s good, I can get it to you if you want it. There’s a virus onboard a plane, and they have to land in Iceland, and people are freak – actually, it’s eerily familiar to what’s going on right now.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I think I’m good on viruses right now; don’t send it to me yet. I’m good right now.
David Read:
OK, when we’re out of this, I’ll send it to you. But his energy and his humor kept me coming back for more because I never never knew what I was going to get with him.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
His polite sarcasm was so endearing. It’s so endearing. It’s so endearing.
David Read:
You never know what he’s going to throw at you, and then a few episodes in, when Rob Cooper’s episode, The Torment of Tantalus came out, they started growing the show’s mythology, and so it was really Rick and the mythology that got me into it, where it was like, the show is going somewhere, and I don’t know where it’s going, but it’s going to be interesting. And I think that’s what really did it for me.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I totally forgot. I think you just hit something. The mythology is definitely something that makes Stargate special also, because there is some root in Earth – in true, like, Human, Earth history as well, that we learn, and that’s endearing. It’s something that we’re, like – can attach ourselves to quickly. We’re like, “I know these.”
David Read:
Yeah, it makes you want to go and educate yourself more, because all they’ve done is adapted content, so if you want to know more about Earth History or mythos, that information’s there for the people who are curious about it.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I love that. I love that.
David Read:
What was it like watching this thing called Atlantis get built from the ground up? You know, that first time that y’all met each other, the round table…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m going to show you something. This is really funny. So, to everyone watching, before we started – I and David, we were chatting for a minute, and I showed him my apartment, which I won’t show you, because you’re just not privy to that information, but I showed David my apartment, which is currently filled – almost to the ceiling – with boxes of stuff that has just been delivered to me from Vancouver that I’ve had sitting in storage since I left Vancouver. So it’s been there since Atlantis. A lot of that stuff is all since Atlantis –
David Read:
04!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, and I think I left in 2009 or 2010 to come back to Toronto for a bit and then go to LA. So I opened this box, and it was just perfect timing, because I was exhausted on the couch and I knew that we were going to do this, and I opened this box and I just saw, “Rainbow Sun Francks:” and then I saw, “Lieutenant Ford” on this binder. And then I keep looking through this box, and I see all these binders, and they all have my name, and I remembered that I used to keep all of my scripts in binders. But I did find this: it’s probably going to be reversed because of the camera, but…
David Read:
No, it’s correct!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
So this is my binder that they gave me when I arrived in Vancouver, so on this first page, it says, “Hello, and welcome to Vancouver. Enclosed, you’ll find a package of information to help familiarize yourself with this city,” and this is the Stargate Atlantis…
David Read:
The original production logo.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
This is the very first package that I got. And it’s got all my little – it’s got tabs, contacts of all the actors, it’s my – the cast list, and this is the Rising script. This is the very first pilot script. And so it’s really cool, and it’s like, perfect, because it’s been in this binder.
David Read:
Were you someone who notated your scripts?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Hold on – I am pretty crazy, so I kept going deeper and then I just found that I have all my scripts from season one! I literally have – yeah, they’re all marked up with crap and destroyed, but I know that people like these things, so – I’m not going to keep them, so I guess maybe I’ll find a way to get everyone to sign them and see if I can get rid of them for charity or something.
David Read:
Absolutely, yeah. I would be very strategic about that.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m going to keep this one.
David Read:
I would keep that.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m going to keep this one. Because I just want one. I’m going to keep the Rising script with the Vancouver package. Yeah, and all these notes of like, how to get to the studio from my house that production hand-wrote me so I would know how to get there.
David Read:
Had you lived in Vancouver before?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, I – oh, and the first photo gallery shoot. Oh man!
David Read:
Let’s see ‘em!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh no, no, it’s just a page. I haven’t looked through these. It’s just like, so… yeah, it’s nothing. It’s just all the schedule sheets and stuff.
David Read:
Oh got it, OK. For promotional…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m just flooded with memories of being a 24-year old – oh man, it’s me talking, me writing notes about all the weapons that Ford carries.
David Read:
Tactical switchblade… Because he was going to be the weapons expert on the show.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, that was originally – I mean, he was, but they didn’t really…
David Read:
Enhance that aspect of it.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Eh, they didn’t really enhance many aspects until they were kicking me out. Then they were, like, “Give him acting stuff now, he’s on his way out. Let him act!”
David Read:
It’s difficult because you’ve got a show – every show, even if it’s a spin-off, is trying to figure out what it is, you know?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, yeah.
David Read:
And some pieces rise and some pieces don’t get to rise.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yes!
David Read:
And it’s just so frustrating, because you were my favorite in Season One, I think I told you that years ago…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Awww.
David Read:
And the information comes out that he’s not returning, and it’s like, “Come on, come on!” You know?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
But take me back to Rising, before we get there.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah! OK, so you asked about…
David Read:
It’s a new city.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
You asked about day one. Well, you know that I also had to leave to go there… I got the job, and we were shooting the pilot within 48 hours.
David Read:
I think, yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
So they hired me, I don’t know, like, a week before shooting, and then they flew me out, basically on two days notice. And then I was in Van – I had no idea what was going on in life. I’ve said this several times, but – pardon me – there’s a point in the pilot episode, Rising, where I would be able to go, “There!” It’s the first shot that we – I can tell you I know – just by my face, I know that that’s the first thing we ever shot because I just rode there with Robert Patrick, who is, like, one of my favorite guys, and he was asking me to play him rap music – for the whole month that we shot, he asked me to play him obscure rap music in the morning – we used to ride together. And that was the weirdest thing in my life, and I loved every minute. He’s so funny, by the way. He’s so funny. So I’m meeting the T-2000 every morning, which is –
David Read:
1000.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, is he the 1000?
David Read:
1000.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh my god.
David Read:
There’s no T-2000 yet.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
The gall, the disrespect. I’m so sorry! Thank you, thank you.
David Read:
Keeping you on the straight and narrow, brother!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m going to get 400 messages from Terminator fans like, “It’s the T-1000!”
David Read:
“Actually Rainbow…”
Rainbow Sun Francks:
“I don’t know if you know this, there is no T-2000, stupid actor! Did you even watch the movie?” So, yeah, there’s a point in the – sorry, I’m insane today.
David Read:
You’re good.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I was on night shoots; I haven’t slept at all. There’s a point I can literally pinpoint, I can point my finger and say, “This is where I have no idea what’s going on.” It’s me and Rachel, and there’s this, like, sweeping shot and if you look at me, I just look like I’m a deer in headlights, because I had literally just gotten there. Like, a few hours before, I had gotten off a plane.
David Read:
Was that in the tent on Athos?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And I’m like 23 years old. And I’m just like, “What is happ – ” I’ve been on TV my whole life, but it was still like, I was on Stargate. I was so excited, you have to understand that for me to be a 23 year old kid and to be on a sci-fi show and be able to play in space, it was everything to me. I was so happy, and so you asked me about the feelings of first meeting each other and stuff, it was incredible. Rachel [Luttrell] and I got along really well, immediately. And Joe [Flanigan] and I got along really well from the start. Who I absolutely love more and more each day. Joe Flanigan. I am just, yeah. I love that dude.
David Read:
There’s something about him. He’s soulful, you know?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I feel like I’ve watched us both grow as humans, as people, you know? And I love where he’s at right now. I just love him. I love where he’s at.
David Read:
Absolutely.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
He’s a special dude.
David Read:
How was [David] Hewlett?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Hewlett is great. When Hewlett’s in a good mood, he’s great. That’s what I – you know?
David Read:
That’s fair.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
You can’t keep the energy up the entire time. Sixteen hours every day on set, you know?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Here’s what I’ll say: as a kid, I didn’t realize the weight that Hewlett had as an actor on him on that show.
David Read:
You mean like with the dialogue?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, with the dialogue.
David Read:
It’s a pain in the ass.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And the power of exposition. It wasn’t until – so, I did a show for four years or five years called The Listener here in Canada, which I started as soon as I got back from Vancouver, in 2010. And I played a character named Dev Clark who is the technical – he’s the computer guy. He’s the…
David Read:
Oh, the shoe’s on the other foot!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, so I was in charge of tech talk and exposition for four years. And that’s when I realized the difficulty of what David had to do. It’s really, really difficult, and it’s a completely different skill set that I had to develop that he had overflowing. David really has a knack for that. And I studied him when I got into it, because it’s not just about talking fast, you know? Pace is a lot of it, but there’s so much more to it. You have to find something in a weird way that endears what you’re saying to – that makes it interesting to the audience. It’s a really weird skill set to be the exposition guy. Because it’s you’re just pushing the story so much of the time, you know?
David Read:
You are, but the words can’t just come out at a certain pace…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, you have to…
David Read:
And in the right order, they have to mean something to you to mean something to the audience.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
You have to be passionate about nothing. Right? Because most of the stuff, everyone around you already knows that you’re saying. Like, all the characters already – they could easily look at you and be like, “Yeah, no, dude, we’ve been doing this the whole time together,” You know? Like, “Why are you saying that?” But it’s for the audience.
David Read:
There’s a fourth wall that’s…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, exactly! Yeah, Hewlett is a master at what he does. He’s great. And when he’s happy, he’s a lovely guy to be around. Nah, I love Hewlett. [inaudible]
David Read:
You got to work with some awesome actors over the course of your time there, and some really cool stunts. James Bamford – you know, you had a fight sequence…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
BamBam!
David Read:
BamBam, what a god among men! That guy can do – he is game for anything.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, yeah, as long as I’m doing it! No, he’s incredible. I mean, I love BamBam. Working with him was great. Yeah, some of those fight scenes – you know, we were the first ones to do a flying arm bar on TV.
David Read:
So can you translate that for the layman?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I think that was in Brotherhood, the Brotherhood episode. It’s basically an MMA move where you jump up and wrap your leg – while in the air, wrap your leg around his neck and his other arm, and then while you’re wrapping your arm around this one, you can basically snap their arm while they’re standing up before they drop. Or use it to drop them and then snap their arm once they’re dropped.
David Read:
[It] must have made you feel like a badass.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, it was funny – I think it was Paul I did it on…? I think it was Paul Lazenby, who is this great actor in Vancouver, but he’s massive. Now, he’s slimmed down, but he’s like, you know, six-whatever, and probably got a hundred pounds on me at the time. So it was funny to have me jump up there on him and he just sort of held me. He can hold me there if he wanted to –
David Read:
In place!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Normally, you’re meant to, like, drop someone, and he’s just like, “Alright, you ready? Alright.” And then he fell. I just had to do it – the technical move, so the camera caught it. But [it] was so great to be able to do all my own stunts on that show. You know, 90 – more than 90 percent of everything that you see Ford doing, is me. The only time it’s not me is when stuff was exploding in my face. And there was a bit of one fight sequence where we – Jason [Momoa] and I got so muddy and exhausted that they brought in our doubles to finish it up, because it was in the rain at one point.
David Read:
That episode…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
But that’s Runner.
David Read:
Yes.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Which is my favorite episode in Atlantis.
David Read:
It’s a good show, you know? For all kinds of reasons. It… go ahead.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, I…
David Read:
You looked like you had something on the tip of your tongue.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
The reason I really love Runner is, I think it’s a really well-paced episode, and it’s got – the cinematics in it are completely different from any other episode. It looks different. You also get introduced to Ronon [Dex], which is a pretty monumental moment in the Atlantis story. And it’s sort of the transferring of me and him, which was really cool. And you get to see me fight Jason Momoa, which is pretty cool. I mean, he was a lot smaller then, also, so…
David Read:
Yeah, he’s a very different guy, physically, now.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
He’s massive now.
David Read:
We went up – Darren [Sumner] and I went up when they were – I can’t remember what you guys were filming, but BamBam took us aside and said, “Check this out.” And he was so excited. And he took us into a room, and everything was on DV tapes back then, so he just loaded it on to his laptop, and he had choreographed the draft of all of the behind-the-scenes fighting that you guys did in practice so that he could then turn it over to the team so that you guys could execute it again on set. But he would – he was like his own director, in his own right.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
He would shoot – -Well, that was when he was starting to – because he was a great fight choreographer then, and stuntman, but he was starting to – I remember that, because he shot the fights –
David Read:
He did his own DV cameras of everything.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, he would shoot the fights – like, our practice runs, and then actually cut it together so he could also show the production team.
David Read:
Exactly. What it was…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And say like, “This is what I’m thinking,” yeah. Yeah.
David Read:
How long would it take? I mean, that’s a big fight. That’s probably Atlantis’ first real, like, real fight sequence.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
That fight’s long.
David Read:
How long did it take to rehearse and execute?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
So the note from the top for that fight, it was really funny. I remember going into the office after work one day, and they said – me and Jason were there, and they said they want to make this fight like a Jason Bourne fight, you know? It’s rare – we haven’t had two guys like you on this show, that can go at it. And BamBam was like, “Yeah, let’s do what we can, because we’ve got two athletes that can go at it.”
David Read:
And in the story, Ford’s drugged up to the gills at this point.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh yeah.
David Read:
And then you’ve got a runner who’s just by design just a machine, so…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, they grossly inflated his power, I would say. Ford should have been able to wipe him out.
David Read:
Snap his neck!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, Ford really should have been able to destroy him. But that’s cool, they were introducing a new powerful character, they had to make him super powerful. There’s another point in one of the episodes where we get hit with stunners, and I go down before him, and I was like, “Also that wouldn’t happen if I was on the Wraith enzyme.”
David Read:
Yeah, have you seen the last episode? No.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
They just really like to inflate Ronin’s power. On set, I was like, “There’s no way this would happen!” And they were like, “Just go with it!” And I was like, “Alright, cool, yeah.”
David Read:
“OK.”
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah. OK, but yeah, Runner was such a great episode. I loved that episode so much. Yeah, sorry, I’m – –
David Read:
No, you’re alright! You came back for The Lost Boys and The Hive.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
The Lost Boys – those are good episodes, too! I really love those episodes, too.
David Read:
They’re solid.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
You’re making me want to watch Stargate. I haven’t seen it in so long.
David Read:
You know, you really should; it’s kind of a good show!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah! [inaudible]
David Read:
What was it like feeling that character out as basically a whole new creature, a whole new person? How did you re-interpret him? [He was] someone who had lost his family, someone who, for better or for worse, believed that they’d abandoned him.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Well, he didn’t really – he was raised by his grandparents, too…
David Read:
That’s true. I mean, the Atlantis family.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Well yeah, I was going to say, he lost his family…
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Then he also lost his second family as well. He was really, like…
David Read:
Yeah, exactly.. Now he’s wandering around Pegasus…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
…building this almost cult of boys together who are just going after the Wraith.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
Tell us about that new journey.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
It was interesting to finally be given some meat and be able to do what I do. And I remember I was very excited about it. And I was also very sad about, at the time, knowing that these were my last episodes. I was very sad. I really got very depressed at the end of Stargate. It was rough on me. Because I really thought that I was gonna be there for a while. That’s what I was told.
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And then also, it was just such a great, big job, and I moved out on my own, you know? It was a whole lifestyle switch for me and everything was amazing, and then it was taken away from me. So I used a lot of that for Ford. I used a lot of that feeling of loss that was easily relatable to the job, because it was fru – in the job that I was doing.
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Paul McGillian – who’s my dear brother, who I love so very much – he and I and Rachel were very inseparable off set. We hung out all the time. We really loved to be together. And Paul and I have always been extremely close, and Paul is such a good actor.
David Read:
He’s great.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
He’s a really, really balanced and diverse actor. He can do anything. And I asked Paul to help me to work on – it was the first time I had ever done that, but I had asked Paul – I said, “Paul, can I come over?” I said, “I’m having a hard time with my own emotions going back to work on this show.” And he really helped me to, like, harness some of the hurt, and put it into the new Ford. From sort of Runner on, he really was there for me. And we would go through the script and break it down and then he would, on the weekend, do reads with me and I would just read with him. And it was really, really, nice. So I’m really grateful that he gave that young man time to grow and explore some things. Because I wasn’t very, like, secure at that time. I was very, very sad. And I didn’t feel like I knew what I was doing, you know? It was weird.
David Read:
It’s one of those difficult situations where, you know, you can’t help but feel like on some level, “Well, if I had only just done this,” or, “if they had only just given me this, then it would have worked.” And programming – this stuff is so subjective. It goes in one direction, and doesn’t go in another. And you can’t help, as an artist, I’m sure, but take so much of that onto yourself. For better or for worse.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah. Yeah, you immediately do. I mean, you can’t – especially, I wasn’t given a reason. And to this day, I have no idea why, you know? So that’s hard. And then you overthink things, and you make up your own reasons. And it’s usually blaming yourself for something, you know? So it was rough. It was a rough time. But I also wanted to make use of the time that they finally did give me. A whole bunch! If you look at one of – I gotta say to this day, I really – I watched it not too long ago, because I was cutting together a demo reel for a project that was requested – and I was going through a bunch of the Atlantis stuff, because I wanted something from the show on it.
David Read:
Yeah!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And the opening to [The] Lost Boys: me telling the story, there’s like, a really cool stunt I do in it. This story’s, it’s like me talking for like six pages. And you know, I dose them. They get their first dose in the food – of the Wraith enzyme they’re on.
David Read:
Welcome to the club!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
That, yeah! Yeah, “you’re…” What is it? “You’re all…”
David Read:
I forget the exact line, too.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
“You’re all part of the team, now.”
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
“You’re all part of the team, now.” And then it goes into another thing where me and Sheppard have a little talk in the back room. That was, like, all of a sudden – they gave me, like, nothing to say in the first season other than, sort of in The Eye and The Storm – there’s a few episodes where I got to do stuff – and then they just, like, dumped – they’re like, “Oh, here you go,” and I was like, “Oh, I wish you had just done this before so I – ” you know. So it was a weird juxtaposition of, like, “Thank you for finally giving me something to do, and so I can show the fans why I’m here, like why I was hired,” but at the same time, like, “See you later.”
David Read:
Yeah, I’m not being handed a bone, I’m being handed a steak this time, but I’m on the outside looking in, almost, you know? That had got to have been weird.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, it was weird. Yeah. But I love that – for anyone watching, yeah, I love that opening scene. It’s a really nice little Ford – It’s a nice Ford moment. It’s a really, really nice Ford moment.
David Read:
Rainbow, I have a ton of fan questions to get to.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh good! I would love –
David Read:
It’s kind of crazy, but I’ve got 150 concurrent viewers right now, so hi everybody!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Hi everybody! I’m sure I’ve met a whole bunch of you.
David Read:
Absolutely!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Let me tell you that I love each and every one of you! Very much.
David Read:
So before I get to them, fandom: going to conventions, meeting these people.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Love it. Love it! I love every minute of it.
David Read:
What a reward. I mean, to know that you’ve definitively made a positive impact on peoples’ lives.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I go to them and – I go as a fan, also.
David Read:
Right, absolutely!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Like, it was funny, there’s a big one we have here called Fan Expo in Toronto. It’s massive. And every time I go, I end up doing a signing, but I’m not paid to do this, I think. I end up literally sitting there and it’s the best thing in the world. LIke, I went to go through Joe when he was there. I love them. I love meeting everyone. I love nerding out with everyone, because I don’t get to do that in my normal life, other than with my sister, you know? So I get to be myself and be in a group of people that have similar interests. It’s so nice for me, because normally, I’m on set or I’m not –
David Read:
Right, you’re working.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I’m also – I can’t talk my shit, you know what I mean? I just go play my Nintendo Switch in my trailer. So it’s great, you know? Yeah, I can’t say how much – I’m so grateful to have been on a few different sci-fi shows now, and meeting all the people and getting to talk about the things that we love is so special to me. I love it, I love it, I love it.
David Read:
Claire – yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And it’s a weird thing, it’s a weird thing! Conventions: the deeper you get into them, you know, there’s like, there’s dances and things and songs and things that only you get – you only get at these conventions. There’s a cult, sort of –
David Read:
It is kinda cultish.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, there’s stuff that I know that my friends don’t know even if they’ve been to conventions.
David Read:
Yeah,
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Does that make sense? Like, there’s levels to it.
David Read:
Oh, absolutely there is. You’ve got the – to [let people in on it] a little, you’ve got the groups that just, you know, go with their families, and they go for autographs, and they go to get the stories, and then you’ve got, you know, this whole layer of – I know a couple of girls who go just to try and get some one-on-one time with an actor, if you know what I’m saying.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, there’s those.
David Read:
Like, whoa, OK now, I am not here for that! “But we are!” It’s like, “alright, to each their own, that’s fine.” Because a lot of you guys are single, and you know what? Some things have gone down.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’ve seen some things go down.
David Read:
Oh god.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’ve never gone down, but yeah, I’ve seen some things gone down. Yeah, I’ve seen some things go down, for sure. For sure.
David Read:
Claire Burr wants to know: whose idea was it to have Sheppard make fun of Ford about naming things? How did the whole joke of, “Ford shouldn’t be allowed to name things,” come about? Was that in the script, or was that external from that?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
That’s a great question. There was one – so many of the things just start as a one-off. So there was the first time, I think, in the pilot…
David Read:
Life-Signs Detector.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Was it Life-Signs Detector first, or was it – OK.
David Read:
Yeah, “Atlantica” came later.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, Life-Signs Detector, I thought it was “Puddle Jumper.”
David Read:
That could have been. Actually, you know, the Life-Signs Detector was second. You’re right.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I think it was Puddle Jumper. So, we did that, and then from that, we started rolling into, you know, “it’s a this,” “it’s a this – ” And every time we had to name something, I was present there, so we just started saying the joke over and over again, and eventually, they just kept putting it in the script where I never get to name anything, yeah. I love that. See, that’s the one thing that I miss about Ford, is those big brother moments. When Ford left, you don’t have those moments anymore. You don’t have someone who’s very proficient in what they do, but also…
David Read:
Wide-eyed.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Wide-eyed. And a kid, and just, open to everything, you know? You lose that whole angle when Ford leaves.
David Read:
Yeah, you lose the Marine angle, too! All the rest of them were Air Force.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
Or Sheppard was. So there was that aspect of it that I, having Marines in my family, I mean, that was a big deal.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah!
David Read:
My dad was Army, so… Gibb: What was the most – this could be heavy – what was the most significant life takeaway from your time with the show?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Significant life takeaway…?
David Read:
I think we’ve kind of talked about that, you know, with learning to deal with…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I think I learned a big lesson in the business on that show. I think I got a lot weaker and a lot tougher after that show. It definitely contributed to anxiety and depression afterwards, but it also made me realize that, “just go do your work, and you’ll never know what’s gonna happen.” I toughened up a lot. I think I toughened up a lot after that, and I also wanted to make sure that every time I showed up, I just went super hard ever since. Ever since that job, I’ve just gone at every job I’ve done with incredible dedication and just been, like, “If these are the only moments that I have, then I’m not gonna bank on – even if I’m just a tertiary character that they’re not giving a lot, I’m going to give a lot to it, you know?
David Read:
Make it count!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
As best I can, for myself, I mean. I don’t mean – it’s not like – I was trying harder than anything…
David Read:
Of course, yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
…in Atlantis. But it was different in – my mindset was slightly different than it is now, yeah. But yeah, I think just toughening up is the takeaway, yeah.
David Read:
Erica Stroham: You’ve done a few different –
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, Erica, hi mama!
David Read:
You know Erica?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yes! Very well!
David Read:
Alright! You’ve done…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I love her so much.
David Read:
…a few different genres in your acting career. Which genre is a personal favorite to play?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
There’s so much to be had from each genre of acting, that – like, we’re talking about exposition and being, like, the tech guy; that’s so fun, but after a few years, it’s not fun anymore!
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I would say comedy. I love when I get to play in comedies. It’s so much fun. It’s fun exploring what’s funny. It’s fun exploring the moment, getting to improv, getting to do all that stuff. It’s great. But there’s – I love everyth – I don’t know. It’s funny, like I said, I was cutting a demo reel, and I was going through – I realized, like, “Oh man, I’m amassing a lot of work,” and now – it’s true! It’s like, “Man, I’ve actually been working.” High Fidelity was my favorite job I’ve done in a long time, and that’s that perfect mix of real drama and real comedy, where it’s like, realistically funny, you know? Not like caricatures of any human being, so I –
David Read:
Well, it’s grounded, you know? I’ve read the synopsis for it – I think I’d enjoy – I’d like it.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
It’s very grounded – it’s extremely grounded, but it’s also, yeah, it can also be obscure and sort of over-the-top…
David Read:
Right!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
But it’s still – for some reason, it feels real, you know?
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, and if you haven’t watched that, guys, we just got cancelled.
David Read:
High Fidelity.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Another heartbreak. So there’s the life lesson. I toughened up. It only took me, like, a week to get over that one.
David Read:
But it’s still worth watching?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh it is – well, no one knew why it got cancelled. It was literally – if you look at the acclaim, it’s like, Rolling Stone, New York Times, you know, whatever magazines, whatever websites…
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
…all said it’s like, you know, top three, top five, best shows, new shows.
David Read:
Nothing’s ever safe anymore.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, and they just, out of the blue…
David Read:
Jeez.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
They’re just like, “You’re not doing it,” and I was like, “Why?” You never know.
David Read:
Dreams Factory: You were my favorite character in SG:A, and if you could tell us, what was one of your favorite scenes to film?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh…
David Read:
We haven’t – go ahead.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh man…
David Read:
I know! We haven’t talked about The Storm and The Eye that much. Trapped in a Puddle Jumper; there’s some good scenes in there.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
OK, that was me, Paul, and Rachel trapped in the Puddle Jumper.
David Read:
Right, exactly!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
We laughed for two days in that little Puddle Jumper together on those scenes. Because we love each other, but after being in something the size of a king-sized bed for that long, oh man, we love – oh, god. No, I’m not even gonna talk about 38 Minutes and being in –
David Read:
Oh, that’s right!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
That’s a rough episode. That was – no one was happy. No one was [inaudible].
David Read:
And a bug on Joe’s neck, nonetheless, which I’m sure he loved.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And he was tied to the door, so he couldn’t move while we were shooting. So he just had to sit there for hours. Oh, it was the worst! And I was sick, like I feel like I am now; I swear, I got sick after that night shoot, being out in the cold. It’s winter here, so…
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Good old Canadian winter. So what scene do I like? OK, this isn’t a scene with – oh! Okay, I’ll say – there’s a couple. There’s a scene where Jason and I were – I’m trying to tell him that it’s good for him to take this enzyme, and he should trust me. It’s one of my favorite scenes because it’s literally me and him talking about the last time we fought, and I’m like, “You ask a dozen people who would win in a fight between you and me, they’d choose hands down. Hell, I’d choose you.” Oh my god, I can’t believe I know this from 15 years ago. “Hell, I’d choose you.” I go, “But we went toe-to-toe,” and he goes, “so I guess it’s still undecided,” and I go, “You’ll come around. I know you; you’ll come around, Ronon. I know you will.” And I just walk off, and it’s like, one of my favorites. I’m, like, so jeed out in that scene. I was just like… because, I just love if you watch it again, it’s like, he plays it really straight, and I just sort of take – I deflate everything, because I knew he was going to give me that, like, [gruff voice] “Jason Momoa, Jason Momoa,” so I was like, I’m about to just, like, defuse this whole situation. And it’s one of my favorite scenes. And it starts with me doing a bunch of little, like, rolls and the stunt thing at the beginning. It’s a great little scene. So that one, I love, and the other one I love is – I think it’s the beginning of ‘Runner’, and it’s the opening scene, and you have two of the scientists walking out and it’s dark, and they’re looking for –
David Read:
“Oh look at that plant!”
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, they’re looking for plants, and…
David Read:
You’re in the tree!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, so, Martin Wood directed that episode, I believe. And I remember us being out and we were trying to – he was trying to figure out how to make this work, and they had me being revealed just from, like, behind a tree, you know what I mean? They’re like, under a log or something. And I went – and they had the big – it was on a giant, swinging jib arm, so I was like – I’ll take the credit for this – but I worked with Martin Wood on it, and I said, “What if I went up there?” And he went, “Yeah.” Oh, he’s also the best human ever. His energy is so good. He’s like, “ Yeah, Rainbow. Can you get up there?” And so I shimmied myself like Jackie Chan in between these two trees, and I got up. And I just sat there, and he’s like, “How long can you last?” And I go, “I can do maybe ten minutes up here.” And he goes, “we need you up there for longer, probably,” so they built a little…
David Read:
Like, a ledge?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
They drilled just a little – all I needed was just something for my heel. Just, like, a heel lock, right?
David Read:
Yeah.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
So I wasn’t putting all the strain on my legs. So they drilled in this little thing and it took about four minutes for them to get a ladder and do it. And then that was it: so I just sat up there while they did take after take, and they brought the jib arm up as they passed by me, and that was one of my other favorite things, because I love that he gave me the input, and it really made the shot. And that was me really going for it in my last episodes, like, “How can I make every moment count? I’m going to be there, I’m going to help any way I can, and use all my effort.” So those are my favorite scenes. I’m the most long-winded person in the world, I’m so sorry.
David Read:
Oh, I love it! Better than abbreviated answers, absolutely! Bethany Jacques: Did you do any – other than the ones that we’ve mentioned – did you do any ad-libs in Atlantis?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, but I don’t remember. I don’t – I mean, my brain is pretty good for scripts, but as far as the ad-lib stuff that made it… I know, “You want to play a game of Pick On Ford?” There was a couple of times when I brought – I recalled that, and that – I know every time after the first time was me doing that. All the McKay stuff in, uh, is it in Runner? Yeah, in Runner where he’s upside down and I’m laughing at him and saying stuff.
David Read:
Right!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Most of that was just to fill space, because he was actually hanging upside down and he was very grumpy that day. Very grumpy hanging upside down, but I understand! I totally understand. Yeah, I don’t know very many ad-libs. There’s a few; they were great scripts. They really didn’t need much ad-libbing, to be honest. It would be very far and few between. It would mostly be just for pacing fixes if we did anything like that, yeah. The scripts were pretty complete. Like, they were…
David Read:
The writing was solid.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
These guys know what they’re doing!
David Read:
They know!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
They know what they’re doing, yeah!
David Read:
Mustang Sally: We already got into this… you posted that you found a bunch of pics and scripts from SG:A; do you ever find things laying around that remind you of something from set? And tying into that, David Limberg: Do you have anything that you were able to take home from the set?
David Read:
David! Oh, that’s my brother! Hi buddy. I love him. What did he say? Did I what?
David Read:
Anything that you were able to take home from the set? Didn’t you have a jacket?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, all of my stuff got sold, including my chair-back.
David Read:
Yeah, that was me, I’m sorry man.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
They never told me that they were doing it, so I think Propworx…
David Read:
Yeah, that was – I wish I had known. I would have…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
…sold all my stuff! There’s some guy who we – we found the guy who has my chair-back, and he won’t sell it to me. He’s like, “No, I want it!” I’m like, “Can I just have it? I’ll pay; you can make a profit, like, I’ll buy it. Double your money! Triple your money!”
David Read:
We’re putting that out there, if you’re watching.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I just want it. It would be nice to have on the wall, you know?
David Read:
Absolutely.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Because I got nothing. I think Jason is known to be the guy that took everything. I think he’s got a bit of everything, which is awesome.
David Read:
I know he didn’t take any of his guns. I sold his guns, so…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh really? I thought he took a blaster.
David Read:
He may have, but he didn’t take the main one. Because the full working one? Man, was that thing cool. Holy cow.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
It was cool! But oh, I did find – I don’t know where they are now, or I’d bring them out – I did find, also, some of – the art department: I would go to the art department and ask them for things when they’re done with them, that were on the wall. So I have a bunch of the posters. I know I have McKay’s – the… turtle shell –
David Read:
Turtle brooch! Yeah, the Ancient personal shield.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
The turtle brooch, yeah. The force field, yeah. So I have all the specs for that from the art department. I have a bunch of cool posters that I’m probably gonna… I don’t know, maybe I’ll keep them. I don’t know what to do with all the stuff, man.
David Read:
Well you gotta go through it; just take your time with it.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I think I would rather, like, if I keep this, the rest of the stuff – oh, I found a gang of polaroids; I have so many polaroids. They’re all from SG-1, though. They’re all…
David Read:
Isn’t that interesting.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, like, I have continuity –
David Read:
Continuity.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
…polaroids that I think got left in my trailer, and I just brought them home and never brought them back. I think they’re from Season Two or something. It’s crazy. Two or three.
David Read:
Blau Faray-Cabello…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Sure.
David Read:
I probably butchered that.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Sure.
David Read:
Which villain – including the Replicators – in all the Stargate franchise would you avoid the most?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Uh, I mean, System Lords, probably. They seem like the ones I’d want to avoid, I feel like. I feel like, just the name, “System Lord,” seems like someone you don’t want to… yeah.
David Read:
And they were pretty well dressed. I mean, you have your own clothing line, so maybe they could wear some of your stuff!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, oh god. I think those guys – I mean, the Wraith are scary; the Wraith are no joke, but I kinda – they became lunch, so…
David Read:
They did. You had a different mindset for them.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I really did. I really did.
David Read:
Ian: Rainbow, what’s your recommended drink?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Water. But alcohol?
David Read:
I suspect.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Tequila.
David Read:
Tequila, okay!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, tequila. All day. Tequila. Tequila with just fresh lime. Just very sour, just tequila and lots and lots of lime juice. And it’s horribly tart, and it’s amazing. I love tart. I love tart, yeah.
David Read:
Keith Homel: Out of all the Stargate Conventions to which you’ve been…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh boy.
David Read:
…do you have any particular favorite moments? That’s a broad question.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Do I have any particular favorite moments…? Oh boy. Oh boy. Doing an improv with Gary Jones is always a lot of fun, at any time. But, oh man, let’s see… My favorite moments from conventions… Ah, there was – I was in Germany, and I decided to bring one of my best friends with me – Arcade, who’s like, my homie since, like, High School. So I was like, “Hey man, what are you doing?” I said, “They said they’d bring my girlfriend, but I – we broke up, so I got this extra ticket; you wanna come to Germany?” He’s like, “Yeah, dude, let’s go!” I was like, “You wanna spend the week in Germany with me?” And he’s like, “Yeah, let’s go!” So we go and do this convention, and oh man, who was there? I’m trying to remember who was there with us at the convention. I know it was – people from Battlestar [Galactica] were there.
David Read:
OK. Good cast!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I’m just trying to remember who it was.
David Read:
Grace Park?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No.
David Read:
Tahmoh Penikett?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, it wasn’t Tahmoh.
David Read:
Tricia Helfer? Jamie Bamber…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Tricia might have been there.
David Read:
OK. James Callis? [inaudible]
Rainbow Sun Francks:
No, Nicki Clyne was there, and…
David Read:
Nicki, OK. Aaron Douglas?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh yes, it was Douglas!
David Read:
OK!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
It was! And he was in his heyday of being an animal, it was great! And so we couldn’t go anywhere; we were in this convention hotel, and that was it. And I was with my boy, and he met some cute girls in the lobby who were like, “Come to this party,” and it was the convention party, and I got so – like, I didn’t drink a lot back then, and I got – I think I drank a whole bottle of Vodka – Oh, and I drank Vodka back then – and the next thing I knew, him and I were both passed out. He puked on the side of the bed. I was asleep just on the floor, and the door was wide open the whole night, with people walking back and forth that were convention-goers, and they just saw us, like, layed out, which was the greatest thing for stories the next – like, people were showing me pictures they had taken, oh it was great. It was great! I never went to university, so I feel like that was my…
David Read:
Your dorm moment?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I had a little, like, I had a dorm moment. You know, I kinda got to have that feeling of, like, being absolutely irresponsible. It was great! It was really great, yeah.
David Read:
Matthew Hall: We talked about this a little bit – how demanding or fun was it altering a character personality? Altering Ford’s personality in a way that was fitting to the story after playing the part for so long. Just taking it and basically making him a whole new person.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, it was great! I think I got to expand on him. I didn’t have to make him a whole new person, because you hadn’t seen enough of him yet.
David Read:
That’s true.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
You hadn’t seen his whole personality, so what I got to do was create what you hadn’t seen, and then make extremes of all of them. So, you know, when he’s happy, he’s super-duper happy, and then he’s not happy again, immediately after, so just having that sort of really shifty personality was what we were going for. So it was more about showing more of him, you know?
David Read:
Yeah, almost bi-polar. High highs and low lows.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, very – very schizophrenic, to be honest. That’s what we were working on, is those quick switches, and hoping that the editor would also help with that afterwards, as far as not making him look absolutely nuts. Like, if I was, in different takes, doing different things, so he wasn’t like, “Up, down, up, down, up, down,” you know?
David Read:
Well, at the same time, he’s still a boy, you know? And you have to have that humanity there.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Well yeah, and he’s also just longing for love. Like, he cared so much about – there’s a point in Runner when I first meet McKay and I hold him at gunpoint, and I walk him… and the first thing I’m saying is, “So, what did I miss? What’s going on over there?” And he’s like, “Sheppard got an upgrade,” and I’m like, “Oh, really? Good for him!” Like, that’s crazy; I have a gun to my friend’s head and I’m just asking him for the gossip, and then I’m also happy about the promotion. Like, it’s super weird, the more you look at it.
David Read:
Yeah, he’s genuinely happy about the promotion, but at the same time, “I’m holding this gun to your head,”
Rainbow Sun Francks:
But he could also kill this guy at any minute, who is his friend.
David Read:
He could! And all he’s thinking is, “I just want to prove myself. I want to show [Elizabeth] Weir that I’m okay. As I hold this gun to your head.”
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah! But I have heavy trust issues, you know?
David Read:
Yeah. David Browning: What was it like working with the great Robert Davi?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, I didn’t like him at all. I didn’t like him at all. He was really – he was very – I mean, I think he was, like – he just seemed like a dark dude, I don’t know. He’s a great actor; I love all of his work. I – he was really dark!
David Read:
Was he just intense?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah! I didn’t really like, get to… yeah.
David Read:
OK.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
He – I didn’t… yeah. He was great; like, unbelievable. I just – I never got into his personality. I think we had a real difference of opinion on politics at the time. I think he was a heavy Republican, and that was [George] Bush in office, and I really wasn’t feeling that at the time. So I think I sort of stayed away. But I don’t disagree with, “the great” Robert Davi at all; he is absolutely just a powerhouse, yeah. He was good. I don’t know. I – like I said, I was also just, like, there. I had to jump on some guy’s back during that episode and pass out – I was worried about other things. Yeah.
David Read:
That’s fair! Barry Berry: Your favorite sci-fi show of all time? Let’s exclude – let’s just take Stargate out of contention, because, you know?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.
David Read:
Outside of Stargate, what’s your favorite sci-fi show?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Well… fuck, man, The Mandalorian right now is just, like, everything. It is, like, thank Jon Favreau for all –
David Read:
Yeah, Dave Filoni.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Like, oh my god.
David Read:
I haven’t seen Season Two yet. Everyone’s rav – I’ve watched Season One – everyone’s raving about it, so…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, the last episode was so good!
David Read:
I’ll watch them when they’re all done.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
My favorite sci-fi show… Rick and Morty. It’s my favorite sci-fi show.
David Read:
That’s another one that I want to see. I haven’t seen it yet, though.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, you’re gonna die! It’s all you’re gonna watch!
David Read:
I’ve heard it’s – I – no, I’ve got them – yeah, I’ve got them and I’m gonna mow ‘em down. I’ve heard – you know, it’s like, it has… like, yeah, it’s a cartoon, but it has depth. It has meaning, you know?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh no, it’s not a cartoon at all. You’ll see – oh… hold on. My legs.
David Read:
OK.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, these creaky bones!
David Read:
Oh, come on!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
These old creaky bones.
David Read:
I love that creator. Community… I mean, Dan Harmon is brilliant.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Harmon’s incredible.
David Read:
He’s so subversive.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Incredible. He’s so smart. You wait until you watch the show.
David Read:
I’m looking forward to it.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
But as far as like – I know what they’re asking is probably for more of a classic – I think Firefly is probably the greatest sci-fi show. To have that few episodes and to go as deep as it was able to go… I think that show is probably one of the greatest TV shows ever made.
David Read:
14, 15 episodes, and remarkably consistent through that whole thing.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, out the gate. Out the gate. It’s just brilliance, right out of the gate. Yeah, I’d say that. But I’m also a very diehard [Star Trek: The Next Generation] fan, so I will say that TNG might be the best. And I’m a Star Wars head. But yeah, as far as shows, Firefly and TNG are probably my go-to’s, yeah.
David Read:
Theresa McallisteRainbow Sun Francks: Do you think Ford’s alive?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Well, someone handed me a book of the continuing series and said that I came back out of nowhere.
David Read:
OK!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
…With a beard, and I was calling myself, “The Wolf,” now, like I was a lone wolf, and I was still at it. So I had weaned myself off the enzyme, or maybe like in that movie, Limitless, I’d learned how to synthesize it and control it, I’m not sure.
David Read:
Oh jeez!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Or I’d done enough of it that I’m just permanently strong. But yeah, I think Ford’s – Ford knew his way around a Hive Ship. He knew what he was doing…
David Read:
That’s true.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And he’s a pretty elusive and resourceful character. I really thought that they were gonna bring him back. I think it was a real misfire to have this character and have so much shit falling on Atlantis at certain times, and not have this guy who knows the address, who’s always watching from afar, who’s still longing for this, to be able to come in and kick ass and leave. Like, there’s just – it would have been… It just seems like good math. But they never did it.
David Read:
That’s one of the things that I love about Martin Gero inserting you into Search and Rescue.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
Because Martin was always openly – at least, with Gateworld, when he would talk to us – self-critical about where the show could improve. And he was willing to say, “You know what? I think we could have done a better job here,” or, “I think we could have done more here.” And I think that that was a nod to that character. A direct criticism from Ford to Sheppard.
David Read: “You never rescued me. You never came back.”
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
“And we don’t leave our people behind.”
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Well you know Gero was my guy. Gero wrote all the Ford stuff that we love. Like, all the really good Ford stuff was Gero. And Gero was my really good friend on set. Him and I were really – because we both, you know – this was both of – our first really big job, and we had both come from Canada, from Toronto to do this job, so… yeah, he was my guy. Yeah, he wrote all the really great Ford stuff.
David Read:
Would you be open to coming back to the new Stargate series that Brad [Wright] is trying to get off the ground with MGM?
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, of course! Yeah. Oh, I would love – yeah, if I could play Ford again? Oh my god. Now? Oh, destruction, yeah. Let me at it! Oh my god. With the actor I am now? Oh, yes. Fuck yeah! I’d love it, yeah! It would feel like, yeah, I would feel really good to – yeah, yeah, that would be great.
David Read:
Step back into those shoes.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah. Oh, favorite scenes! That was another one of my favorite scenes, sorry!
David Read:
No, go ahead!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
In Rising, when I say, “It hurts like hell, sir,” and then I jump through the gate backwards.
David Read:
Woohoo!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And that was also ad-libbing. Most of that – a lot of that was ad-libbing.
David Read:
It established that he’d been a member of this team.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
And that he’d already been over there, yeah.
David Read:
Or at least – off-world, at the very least, for sure.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
My friend, this has been wonderful having you on.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, is that it?
David Read:
I’ve got to the bottom of the list.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh? I love it. I love it.
David Read:
It’s good to –
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Thank you.
David Read:
No –
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I love when we get to chat. It’s also so strange for me whenever I get to revisit these memories, and every time, it’s great. It’s great. It’s great.
David Read:
It’s the gift that keeps on giving.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
And I think that you’re – you know, if I had to say, I’d say that there’s a chance that you’re not done with it. I’d say that there’s more for you to do.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah.
David Read:
Brad [Wright] has really been trying hard, and you know, the sky’s the limit with this next one. So if he can get it off the ground…
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Oh, man. Right now, in this market, oh yeah. It’s fine. It’s a TV market finally, like, it’s a real – and it’s ready. Oh, I can’t imagine how much fun it would be to make a Stargate now. Yeah, I would love to be on it, honestly.
David Read:
Well, I am glad that you are able to get back to work up there.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’m working steady, yeah. I’m lucky.
David Read:
That’s great! I mean, sleep deprivation is one of your bigger problems right now; that’s a good thing in this context!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, this whole thing has got me really – I mean all of us. We’re all just sort of trying to figure out – trying to navigate. You know, I think it’s been a wonderful thing for us all in one way, that we’re all getting to know ourselves deeper, on another level throughout all of this. Depending on your mental stability.
David Read:
Yeah, we’re having to figure out who we are, and where we’re at right now, and who we’re going to be next, and when we get out of this and everything else – it’s so important to look back on the parts of us, and our past, and what we’ve enjoyed that make us the better people that we are. The best versions of ourselves that we are. And I think Stargate did that in spades for both you and I.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah. I think this talk with you over the last hour has done that for me yet again, you know?
David Read:
Aw, thank you.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah. It’s really special. And I’m so grateful to have been able to be friends with you now for so many years.
David Read:
You have been a – I love you, man. You have been a light. Absolutely.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I love you, too. I love you, too. Thank you for always being really wonderful.
David Read:
Absolutely, and thank you for being so genuine and just a light.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I do my best to exist. Well, I’m here.
David Read:
I’m going to let you get some rest.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah, I’m going to go to sleep. Well… 8:30, huh. I don’t know what to do. I might – now that we’ve done this, I may go through these boxes and see what else I can find.
David Read:
Yes, see what you’ve got! Yeah, post some pics! Absolutely!
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I’ll let you know.
David Read:
Alright, brother.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
To anyone that is still watching, thank you for your time and energy. I love you all, and I can’t wait to see you again, to those who I have seen, and I can’t wait to meet you, to those I haven’t.
David Read:
There we go. The conventions will be back, it’s just a matter of time.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Yeah. Yeah, I hope so.
David Read:
Alright, my boy.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
Alright. Have an absolutely lovely night, my friend.
David Read:
You, too, brother.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
I love you to the sky.
David Read:
I love you, too. You take care of yourself.
Rainbow Sun Francks:
OK, bye.
David Read:
Bye bye. Mr. Rainbow Sun Francks, everybody. Thank you so much for sticking around and watching the show. I appreciate your time. Before we let you go, if you like what you’ve seen in this episode, I’d appreciate it if you would click that Like button. It really makes a difference with YouTube’s algorithm and will definitely help the show grow its audience. Please also do consider sharing this video with a Stargate friend. And if you want to get notified about future episodes, click the Subscribe icon. If you plan to watch live, I recommend giving the bell icon a click so you’ll be the first to know of any schedule changes, which will probably happen all the time, like it did today. And bear in mind, clips from this livestream will be released over the course of the next several days and weeks on both the Dial the Gate and Gateworld.net YouTube channels. That’s all I’ve got for you. I appreciate, again, you sticking around. Thank you so much to my mod team. You guys, I couldn’t do this without you: Sommer, Ian, Tracy, Keith, Jeremy. And thanks to my production assistants, Jennifer Kirby and Linda “GateGabber” Furey; you guys make this show happen. It means a lot to me to have you all around, and next week, we will have pre-recorded episodes. Carmen Argenziano will be running at 12 o’clock Pacific time, and then at one o’clock Pacific time – Carmen’s – it’s a pre-recorded interview from ten years ago that we’re going to be showing for the first time; I haven’t resurrected him or anything. But in a way, he will be brought back for a little while next week. And then at one o’clock Pacific time on Saturday the 21st, we will be bringing in part two of our ongoing interviews with Mr. Joseph Mallozzi. We cover Season Four of Stargate: SG-1. So, Window of Opportunity, The Curse, Scorched Earth, all of those. It’s a nearly two-hour program, and that’s going to be released on Dial the Gate. My name is David Read. We’ll see you on the other side.