If it weren’t for one man showing up to a Stargate convention and inviting Brad Wright to the arctic we would not have the basis for the extraordinary scenes in Stargate Continuum. That man is Barry Campbell, an officer with the Applied Physics Laboratory Ice Station. Now retired, Barry joins Dial the Gate to retell the story of how he convinced Stargate Productions to join him in one of the most deadly environments on Earth — and take your questions LIVE!

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Timecodes
00:00 – Splash Scene
00:28 – Opening Credits
00:54 – Welcome and Episode Outline
02:21 – Welcoming Barry
03:01 – Background on APLIS
04:59 – Barry’s Service History
08:30 – Living in an Ice Camp
14:25 – Science Fiction
15:57 – The Idea For Stargate Continuum: Meeting N John Smith
27:33 – Submarine Surfacing
34:16 – Ice Camps (with pictures)
43:50 – Amanda Tapping and the Northern Lights
44:58 – Barry’s Talk to the Stargate Crew
49:53 – Filming Continuum
52:12 – Fan Questions – Hut names
52:50 – Putting the Stargate Crew to Work
57:36 – Barry’s Favorite Episodes
58:36 – Beekeeping and Wine Making
1:00:20 – Wrapping up with Barry
1:03:05 – Post-Interview Housekeeping
1:06:12 – End Credits

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David Read
Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 100 and, what is this, 164 of Dial the Gate: The Stargate Oral History Project. It’s taken me two years to come up with that line. We have Barry Campbell in this episode, the man who is responsible, in essence, for all of the Arctic sequences in Stargate Continuum, and he’s going to tell that that story to us. But before we get into the thick of this episode. If you enjoy Stargate, and you want to see more content like this appearing on YouTube, it would mean a great deal to me if you click that Like button, it makes a difference with YouTube’s algorithm and will help the show continue to grow its audience and if you want to get notified about future episodes, click the Subscribe icon. And giving the Bell icon to click will notify you the moment a new video drops and you’ll get my notifications of any last minute guests changes. And clips from this live stream will be released over the course of the next few weeks on the Dial the Gate and gateworld.net YouTube channels. As this is a live episode Barry is with us here. So if you are in the chat, you can submit questions to him regarding Stargate Continuum, regarding his time up at the North Pole. He’s going to talk about that a little bit more. And his life now as a beekeeper, frankly, which I think is is some of the most satisfying and fascinating stuff of all. Mr. Barry Campbell, a dear friend of mine, sir, it is such a pleasure to have you on this show. This is this is long overdue. And my apologies for that up front. How are you?

Barry Campbell
I am just great. And I am just so delighted to have heard from you. And to be able to do this. So it’s not top of mind anymore with me because it’s been a while. But once in a while one of my friends, well I’ll will be out at the winery and one of my buddies will say to the people we’ve just sat down with, “Oh, did you know Barry Campbell was in a movie?” And then I get to bring it all back up again.

David Read
Absolutely. What does APLIS stand for?

Barry Campbell
Applied Physics Laboratory Ice Station. And we call it APLIS because the University of Washington Applied Physics Laboratory was the Navy’s hired logistics team. And basically, Arctic Submarine Laboratory where I worked, would liaison with the Applied Physics Lab and their group of specialists to let them know what we needed in the way of housing, other logistics facilities, snowmobiles, helicopters, whatever. And the Applied Physics Lab would then go out and let the contracts and do all the legwork. Because there were only like, you know, there are only a dozen of us that work at Arctic Sub Lab at that time. And so we just. we didn’t have that manpower. So…

David Read
When is this? What year are we talking?

Barry Campbell
2007, the ice camp with Stargate was in 2007. The start of the movie came out in 2008. And I then did my last ice camp in 2009 and retired shortly after that. I had been doing ice camps with the Arctic Sub Labs since the 80s.

David Read
Wow. Pretty much every year.

Barry Campbell
Every other year usually. It takes takes like 15 months minimum to organize an entire two month ice camp. So we couldn’t do it once a year just didn’t have the time because we had to do other things too. I mean, supporting the ice camp was only one of the tasks that Arctic Sub Lab did and in fact, it wasn’t even the number one task. The number one task was providing training and Arctic Specialists to ride along on submarines that went to the Arctic all through the year. So that was our big job.

David Read
See you are Navy, right?

Barry Campbell
Ex-Navy. Yep, I retired. I retired as a Commander, which is the same as a Lieutenant Colonel in the Air Force Stargate world.

David Read
I want to say thank you for your service, sir.

Barry Campbell
Well, it was delightful. And I appreciate the appreciation I get every time I wear my Navy ball cap. So it’s a, it was a it was a wonderful thing to do. I highly recommend it. But for me, it was a delight.

David Read
How did you get involved in being in one of the most inhospitable climates on the face of the planet? You must enjoy the cold.

Barry Campbell
Well, if you dress for it, the cold is fine. And that’s what I learned in the Arctic, you have to be able to dress for it. I was in the Navy for six and a half years active duty, got out and got into the Reserves. Working here and there. I was in Hawaii at the time. And my commanding officer in the Reserves found out that I had gone to the Arctic on USS Bluefish in 1975 as a Lieutenant. Not many people get to do that. So I was, not unique, but I was one of the few that had that experience. And he was friends with the Head of Operations at the time of Arctic Submarine Laboratory. I was living in Hawaii, Arctic Sub Lab was in San Diego, they wanted to have somebody that worked for them living in Hawaii working on the Commander of the Submarine Forces staff, the Submarine Force Commander for the Pacific is in Pearl Harbor. So they wanted to have somebody to be there sort of like their little spy behind the scenes and liaison with, for Arctic matters with the type Commander, the Submarine Commander. So my boss talked to his friend who was Director of Arctic Sub Lab, and the guy flew over interviewed me. And in about a month, I was not only working for Arctic Sub Lab, but I was on my first training mission as an Arctic ice pilot or Submarine Arctic Operations Specialist.

David Read
And what year was this?

Barry Campbell
Oh, I think it was like 85, something like 83-85, something like that. And then, you know, the rest is history. I lived in Hawaii, worked for Arctic Sub Lab for 17 years while living in Hawaii. And then the Director of Operations got promoted to be the Second-in-Command at Arctic Sub Lab, leaving the Director of Operations spot open. And I and three other of the then ice pilots put our names in the hat. And I was selected to take over as Director of Operations and moved from Hawaii then to San Diego to work in the lab there. So in total, from my first mission as a Lieutenant on USS Bluefish in 1975, I’ve been to the actual North Pole 15 different times, on 15 different nuclear submarines, including two British Royal Navy submarines. So it was in that and then I was also involved in and then later on Officer in Charge of about a half a dozen or more floating ice stations, ice camps, like APLIS in the Arctic.

David Read
Does residing in that part of the world for a time change you at all. Change how you mean perceive the world, change how you perceive yourself in it.

Barry Campbell
You mean living up at the ice camp. Yeah, you know, it’s, it’s like, people ask me, how can you possibly be on a submarine? No windows, tight spaces, doesn’t it get claustrophobic? Well, being in the Arctic is not like that I mean, it’s wide open. But you’re so busy. That if you’re really lucky, you can sit back and put your feet up and have a cup of coffee now and then. The way I ran the ice camp was I ran it. I just didn’t, I mean, I have had lots of good people. And they understood the way I wanted it and I understood they were capable of doing it and let ’em do it. But I had my little eyes and ears all the time on what was going on. So I’d wake up at 5 am stop by the mess tent. Nobody else was there yet. Grab a cup of coffee go over to the command hut. Look through the plan for the day what’s gonna go on. Get debriefed by the overnight watch on what had happened. Contact my opposite number back at Prudhoe Bay to find out how things were shaping up there for the day. And I had done two hours of work before I even went over to had breakfast. And then the rest of the day was just like that. Very, very often, I had my lunch as a sandwich in my hand with a microphone in the other, talking with, like when APLIS was there in 2007 for the start with the Stargate folks came up that year, we had two nuclear submarines operating underneath us. We had two fixed wing aircraft going back and forth between Prudhoe Bay and the ice camp. We had two helicopters that were local Ops at the ice camp and in the surrounding environs. And then, every day, we’d have 2,3,4,5 field parties, leaving the ice camp a mile to three miles, whatever to do whatever they were getting ready to do. And we had a team of under ice divers. And I was overseeing all of that. So if it wasn’t, you know, giving instructions to the helicopters, or the field parties, I was talking with the divers what they were going to be doing next door, our liaison with the beach about what they should put on the next planes coming out. So it was a constant job. Now, I would work from 5 am to about 11 pm and then go to bed and get six hours sleep. And I was younger, not a lot, but a little younger. I got by with that. And you know, I might have hit the pillow and I’d be asleep in a half a second and then wake up the next day. But it was…

David Read
Seven days a week?

Barry Campbell
Seven days a week, and that part of it lasted about two weeks. Okay, so seven days a week for about two weeks. The two weeks before, that was a more relaxed time where the camp was building up. And the two weeks after, that was a more relaxed time when the camp was winding down. But the real stressful time when the submarines were involved was 5 to 11, seven days a week. And the only way it changed me was, it wore me out, but it was the most alive I’d ever been. I mean, the ability, you know, that just keeping everything straight in my mind, as the day went on, and being satisfied at the end of the day that I had done that, was just phenomenal. I mean, I just, it was just so so rewarding. And so self fulfilling. It was a, I didn’t mind, you know, losing some sleep.

David Read
So so it sounds like six weeks, every two years up at the Arctic. Was that about?

Barry Campbell
About right? Yeah,

David Read
And how much, how many months of planning beforehand would go into that?

Barry Campbell
Well, we do the ice camps generally, the last two weeks in March all through April, or sometimes the first of March to mid April, we did it then for two reasons. One, that’s when the sun is starting to stay up for a length a little bit longer in the in the north. And we needed this, we needed the daylight to work on top of the ice. Submarines under the ice can work 24 hours-a-day, they don’t care if it’s day or night, but up on the ice we we need daylight, and we’d start off having maybe 10 or 12 hours of daylight to work with. And at the end of the six weeks, we’d be up to 14 or 15 or 16 hours of daylight. But when the sun went down and it got dark, first off, man, it gets really cold when the sun goes down. I mean, it goes from you know, it gets really cold, I guess that’s a relative term, the average temperature was probably minus 40. But you know, it could be minus 50 or minus 60 and then back up to minus 30. So it got cold, and then it got dangerous. And when it’s dark, you can’t see what’s out there. Which means if the ice is always shifting and moving, it might crack a little bit, leave a place of open water, where you used to walk from here to there, there might be a puddle in between that’s 12,000 feet deep because the ice broke apart. And you can’t see that in the dark. So we don’t do that. And then there are, you know, animals up there, notably the polar bear, and you can’t see them if it’s dark. So we’d stop at dark. Everybody will hunker down and you know, we get our sleep, get our paperwork done, whatever, and then start the next day early. I don’t know what the question was now.

David Read
You got it. You got it. When, have you always been a sci fi fan?

Barry Campbell
Oh, absolutely. My mom and dad were just sci fi nuts. And it was you know, we went, you know, back in the day when I was growing up there weren’t DVDs or VCRs or you know, videotapes or anything. If you didn’t see it in the theater, you didn’t see it. And my mom and dad would take me to the, you know, the the old black and white sci fi monster movies, and they loved it. My dad’s, some of my dad’s favorite authors were Heinlein and Asimov, you know, and Bradbury and like that. So I grew up loving sci fi. I started with Stargate. I loved the movie. Just thought it was wonderful. I like James Spader and you know, Kurt, whatever his name is. I loved the movie and then when I heard that they were going to have a TV series, and it was going to star MacGyver, and I loved MacGyver. Man, I had I actually subscribed to Showtime, just so I could watch Stargate when it first came out on Showtime for the first couple of years. So yeah, I’ve always been a sci fi fan. I’m a Trekkie. You know, I love Trek. And then a lot of the other ones Fringe and Warehouse 13 and all the rest of the crazy ones that came and went. I was just a, I’ve always been a big fan of all those.

David Read
So you decided, was it was 2005 – 2006 to do a Creation Convention in Vancouver for Stargate?

Barry Campbell
Well, I had moved in 2003 to San Diego. And I found out, after having lived in Hawaii for 27 years, that living in San Diego you can get in your car and actually drive somewhere else. Which I thought was, you know, that’s a concept. So I found out that we’re having a Stargate Convention up in Anaheim. And that was only like 45 minutes north. So I went to the Convention, got in a hotel, you know, I had a chance to meet a few of the stars and, you know, and the Directors and Producers and so many of the of the fans, and it was just a wonderful experience. And it was at the end of the Convention, they announced that next year’s Convention was going to be in Vancouver, and they were going to include a set tour. And man, that sold me right there. And I signed up the next day and I was ready to go to Vancouver. So the next year, and that was probably ’05 or so I went up to Vancouver. And that is where I met N. John Smith, the Executive Producer. They, you know, they would have signings, autograph sessions here and there and then they would have stage lectures, you know, the seminar kind of things were, well, they had one presentation, where it was John Smith, and two of the Directors, Martin Wood and Andy Mikita. And they were all on stage together answering questions. And I just loved loved that part of it. Somebody asked John Smith, it was so funny. He was what I guess what they call a Line Producer. Basically, he was in charge of the money, scheduling, mundane stuff that really has not really much to do with making movies but more running a business. And somebody asked John Smith, one of the questions he got was, “Mr. Smith, you remember an episode, what empty flats were this, they did this and they did that? Do you know why they did it that way?” And John sat there and thought and said, “You know, I don’t know why they did it that way. But I can tell you what it cost”

David Read
My part in it. Yeah.

Barry Campbell
Yeah. One of the questions they got toward the end of their session was, “You know, everybody else has a table to sign autographs, how come you guys don’t have a table to sign autographs?” And they looked over to the guy that was in charge and said, ‘You know, we’ll sign if you want us to.” And so they put a table out in the hall, at the end of the hall, with three chairs behind it and they set those three guys down behind. And people could stand, a lineup in the hall and get their autographs. Well, the next session after theirs was another one I wanted to go to. So I was in the hall and toward the end of it, I came out and there were only like four or five more people left in line for these three, the two to Producers and Executive Producer, 2 Directors and Exec. So at that time, I had come up with my own little scheme to be remembered. And I had a picture of myself standing in front of a submarine in the Arctic. And I autographed it. You know, it’s an 8 by 10. I printed them up on my computer at home. I autographed this picture. And then on the back of it I had a little sticker that had my name and telephone number and email address on it. And whenever one of the stars would autograph a picture for me. I would give them an autographed picture of me. And so, I got finally got to the end of, up to the line I was practically the last person in line. And because of my personality or whatever, I tend to gravitate toward the person-in-charge. I just do. I mean it’s that way nowhere wherever I go. And John Smith was in the middle. I didn’t ignore Martin Wood or Andy Mikita but I stood in front of John Smith And I handed them each a picture of me, after I got them to autograph a picture. And John says, “Well, what is this?” And I said, “Well, this is me it’s what I do for a living. You know, I work for the US Navy, and I go to the Arctic on submarines.” And John, you know, he said, “You know, I’ve been trying to get to the Arctic for like 10 years on those Russian icebreakers or something. I’ve been, I want to go to the North Pole. Can you get me up to the North Pole?” And I think he was just, you know, making conversation and being, you know, nice. And I said, ‘Well Mr. Smith, you know, I’m pretty sure I can’t get it to the North Pole. But I might be able to get you to an ice camp a couple of 100 miles south of the North Pole.” Well, he beamed and handed me a business card and said, “If you’re serious, you give me a call.” So I didn’t know if I was serious or not. Now I’m the Officer-in-Charge of the camp but it’s somebody above my paygrade that decides who gets to go and what’s going to happen. They tell me and then I make it happen. So I came back and talked to my boss at Artic Sub Lab and told him the thing. My boss, a very good friend of mine, we were more like friends than co-workers. He was a sci fi fan, but had never gotten into Stargate. But he said, “That Stargate thing, now that’s Air Force isn’t it?” I said, “Yeah, the Air Force Special, you know, Special Ops are the guys that run the Stargate in Cheyenne Mountain and stuff.” “Allright,” he said, “Well, you know, what do you have in mind?” Man, I said, “I’d kind of like to see if we can get maybe two or three of the onscreen people to come up, and maybe get them to agree to sign autographs or take pictures when we have the submarine surface through the ice. And that would be kind of like a morale thing for the crew, you know, instead of a boondoggle for the Stargate people, who are Canadian, by the way.” And he said, “Well, I guess if we can sell it as some something good for the crew, we might be able to sell it to big Navy. Let me see what I can do.” So he starts to liaison then with the people in Washington, DC, and I let it go. I talked to John Smith. Well, I talked after Jeff said, “Yeah, we might be able to do it.” I got my business card out. And I composed just a glorious email to John Smith, about what we could do and stuff like that. And I sent it off. And then about 15 seconds later, I get the return “bing” that says this email address is not valid. And I thought, well, you know, but I am not. I’m not shy. And there was a phone number on the card.

David Read
Correct. And he did give it to you.

Barry Campbell
Yeah, I picked up the phone and dialed and ring, ring ring, “Stargate, can I help you?” “Yes! Yes, this is Barry Campbell. I met Mr. Smith at a Convention a few weeks ago. And I wonder if I might be able to talk with him for you know.” Well, the secretary, who I’ve learned to love, is his gatekeeper. And of course, here is a crazy fan that met Mr. Smith at a convention that now wants to talk to him on the phone — I don’t think so. So she, “Well, Mr. Smith is not his office right now. I think he’s down on the set.” I said, “So well, okay.” He was probably in the office. I said, “Okay, well, can I leave a message for him? Or when will he be back?” “Oh, it should be two or three hours, you know?” “So can I leave a message in case he comes back earlier?” “Yeah, he doesn’t really return calls like that, but I’ll take your name and number.” So she took my name and number. Well, three minutes later, ring ring ring, “Hey, Barry. It’s John Smith.” And that’s how we started. I told him what was going on a little bit in that. So we were looking at doing maybe two or three of the on screen personalities and a couple of support people to come up for one night, just to fly up, stay there overnight, and then fly back to Prudhoe Bay the next day. And we could do that. And then a week or two, or a couple of weeks later, Jeff calls me into his office, my boss. And he said Barry, “I was just watching the show on TV called E-Ring.” You remember that show? It was about, E-Ring it was about the Pentagon and the E-Ring. If you want to have A B C and D rings in the Pentagon, and it was a show, a military show, but it centered in the Pentagon.

David Read
Never heard of it.

Barry Campbell
And he said, “I was watching the show. And it’s got Army and Navy and Air Force and Marines. They’re all interacting in the Pentagon.” He said, “I wonder if the Stargate people would be interested in, in filming in the Arctic and not just being coming up for a visit. The Navy could support that, you know?” And I said, “Well, you know, I don’t know a lot about it. But my understanding is that if they leave their studio and go two blocks away they take like seven semi-trailers full of stuff and 150 people to go, you know, on a remote shoot, and of course we can’t support anything like that.” He said, “No, we can’t. So why don’t you call them up and see what kind of, if they could do a skeleton crew and come up and do filming for you know, a day or two?” So I Call John back and I told him. And he said, “Man, I don’t know.” He said, “You know, we take a lot of people when we go.” I said, ‘We could probably do maybe 15 people, maybe 5000 pounds of gear for, you know, two or three days. If you could, you know, get any, you know, maybe you could get background scenery or anything, then we might be able to do that.” He said, “Well, let me think about it.” Then I get called back into Jeff’s office again. And he said, “I was talking to big Navy. And they said that we would not, we would be able to probably let them film a submarine surfacing through the ice. And we might be able to let them get on the submarine and film to while they’re up there.” And I said, “Man, these guys are going all out. Let me talk to John.” So I call John. He says, “I don’t know, Barry, let me see.” So here’s the story I heard because I wasn’t there. But John tells me, he went into Martin Wood’s office. No, no, Brad Wright, went into Brad Wright’s office, the big, you know, the head guy in charge. And he says, “Brad, I met this guy at a at a convention and he works for the US Navy and a submarine force. And he can get us up to the Arctic and film on and in a submarine coming through the ice in the Arctic. What do you think?” And Brad says, “You know, John, I don’t know if you’ve watched the show. But we go we use the Stargate to go to other planets.” He said, “Now we could probably use the Arctic as maybe an ice planet or something like that. But then when a nuclear submarine a US nuclear submarine comes bursting up through the ice that would kind of blow the illusion, don’t you think?” And John said, “Well, yeah, but you know, you’re the guy in charge, you’re the brains, you’re the inspiration behind this thing, figure it out.” And then he left. And so Brad figured it out. And it turned out after two years of working back and forth, and after Brad was able to come up with this script. We got 18 People from the Stargate company up at the camp for seven days. And they, because the Navy wasn’t in the in the business of supporting production companies, we charged them for the food they were going to eat, for the huts we had to build, for helicopter time, all the rest of that stuff. And John tells me later, “Man, he said that was a bargain.” He said, “He’s gonna charge this five times that we would have paid it.” But we just charge them what it cost. And anyway, it was and then we you know, we made it happen then. So it was two years after I met John, that we got him up to an Ice Camp.

David Read
Man, that is just, that is mind blowing. And it is the one of the one of the cooler sequences in all of Continuum, you know, and it’s one of the reasons that everyone was so excited to see it because I don’t think that had ever been shot before. At least with that level of sophistication, a submarine breaking through the ice. At the noise level.

Barry Campbell
I think there probably were some Navy newsreels back in the day, that showed it but nothing for public consumption, real public consumption, and nothing, certainly, a commercial, you know, enterprise. So it was new. It was a, it was fun for me too. I have been officer-in-charge for a half a dozen of these camps. I have participated on the submarine in about 400 surfacings through the ice. So you don’t really get to see much except the inside of the submarine as would burst up through. I have been the officer-in-charge at an ice camp when submarines surfaced. But they surface miles, two, three miles, away from the command hut. And that’s kind of like where I lived in the command time. So I had never seen a submarine surface through the ice — live. And David, I retired never having seen that in person. I didn’t see that, I didn’t see the one on Stargate Continuum on because I was back to the Command hut working logistics getting people to and from the submarine. The next time we had a camp two years later, I made it a point to be at a surfacing site when a submarine surfaced. And I got out to the surfacing site and it was huge. The surfacing site that Alexandria used for the movie was only maybe 100 yards wide. And, you know, a half a mile long as they had to orient themselves, you know, in the feature just right so they could come up. It was not an easy thing to do, it took them three tries. But two years later, when we were, we had a big, big, what they call a polynya, thin ice two or three feet thick that was probably a mile in diameter. It was huge. So we went out on sort of like the edge, you know a few 100 yards from shore. Cut a big X in the ice was shovels so the upper looking camera from the submarine could see it, they could orient themselves under it. And that’s where we wanted them to surface. And we were going to use that big spot for many surfacings. So we’re going to move that X around, you know, the different places. So I’m sitting on the on ice ridge, freezing my butt literally watching the X, and I’m getting feedback from the guys that are at the X. And they’re having the underwater phone and stuff they, “Okay, Mr. Campbell they’re on the way up now should be.” And I’m watching it crash they come through, way over there. Way over there. I had not, I didn’t see it at all, I was looking at the X, they missed it by half a mile. And that was the only chance I had and so I’ve never actually seen that.

David Read
Well. And they did, like you said, for Continuum they did it on the third try. It thankfully worked. But you’re dealing with major currents, right? Not to mention this huge piece of machinery. You can’t just pull up to the spot and then rise.

Barry Campbell
If you’re real lucky, that works that way but that’s like one out of 80 times. These guys, they knew they were doing this for filming. They wanted to hit the X. And the joke at the ice camps was that the safest place to be when a submarine is surfacing is at the center of that X because they’ll never hit it, they’ll always be off.

David Read
And you have to be prepared to drop everything and run if you feel something beneath you.

Barry Campbell
Right.

David Read
So no joke.

Barry Campbell
Yeah, we were standing, we were all standing where, they were all standing on the thick ice — five foot thick. And then there was this 100 yards of like two foot thick ice that the submarine was gonna come in. So the X is out in front. And there was a wicked, left to right, current as they had to line up with the length, the long way in the polynya because the short way wasn’t big enough for them to come up in. So, but there was a sideways current pushing them one way. And they would get under the X and start coming up and then they would drift and now they’re under that thick ice. And they tried it twice. And the captain was determined he was going to make this happen. So he talked to the ice pilot on board, one of the guys that worked for me and said, “How do we make this happen?” And the guy said, “Well, Captain, we can make it happen. But it’s going to take some cojones here, we’re going to have to start surfacing under the thick ice knowing that when we finally get there we’ll be under the X. We’ll have to you know, time it. We know how fast we’re drifting we’ve done it twice.” Captain said, “Okay, let’s give it a shot.” And by golly, they did and it worked. And on that third time, five hours after they started, they surfaced through the ice. The camera crew, the cameras, the actors, all of my guys were out there for five or six hours in 40 below, waiting for these guys to come up.

David Read
And then we had a walk inside.

Barry Campbell
Yeah, we had a warming hut.

David Read
Oh, there was something okay.

Barry Campbell
Yeah, we had an eight by eight by eight warming hut with a propane heater in it that people could get in and warm up. And they would, you know, when they knew that was going to be another hour they would take the cameras in there and all that stuff. So, they spent a lot of time just out there looking and waiting and watching. So, but it happened and it worked. And there’s an underwater telephone the submarine has onboard. And then we had a portable underwater telephone at the site, with a little hydrophones sticking through the ice, so we could talk to this submarine. And they would tell us, in code, that they were hovering, that they were on their way up, that it was 50 more feet or whatever. And that’s how the people on ice know when to expect them. And when they broke through the ice. The underwater telephone hydrophone for the submarine is on the bottom so it’s still underwater and they can still talk to us and the Captain’s voice comes over the underwater telephone and says, “That was for Hollywood.”

David Read
Wow, yeah, that’s so cool. The camp itself, I want to show your pictures during this part of the discussion. Tell us, you know, what these things were made of, what your typical personnel was, you know, how how you assembled it, the logistics behind it. Plywood is all, is mainly what I remember. And I was like yeah, it’s plywood?

Barry Campbell
It’s mostly plywood. It’s the huts are 20 feet long, eight feet wide, and eight feet tall, made out of four by eight sheets of plywood but they’re prefabbed and the plywood is two sheets of quarter inch plywood with one inch of Styrofoam insulation between so they’re pretty well insulated. And they sit on a platform, that’s three quarter inch plywood raised up about six inches from the ice that it’s sitting on. So you’re not right on the ice, but you’re darn near, and then the ceiling and the walls are all insulated with the Styrofoam. Each of each of the huts, then, if it was a sleeping hut, we’d have three sets of bunk beds so six people could live in that hut, eight by eight foot wide, 20 feet long, eight feet tall. And there would be a kerosene heater inside the hut to warm it up. They had a door and the door had a prefab door, you know, prehung door that they put in all all measured out. And they had about a 12 inch by 12 inch Plexiglass window in it, so you could look out through the door. But that really was the only window that was in the hut, it was all, otherwise it was all just plywood. And we had a, and then we’d have as many huts as we needed to overnight the max number of people we expected to have it to camp. We’d have a Command hut made essentially the same way but it was two or three times the size because that’s where we had all the microphones and communications equipment, and all the other things we needed to run the camp. Somewhere away from the center of the camp, we would have a big double insulated Quonset hut-style tent that was that housed diesel generators, and the generators that made the electricity, which we would just string on pieces of, you know, long two by fours for the wiring to go from place to place in the camp. So there was electricity and every hut, we had a fluorescent, you know, fluorescent light in there, plus an outlet that you could use to charge up your computer or whatever you needed. We also had then a bigger hut that we had set aside for the divers, I can talk about divers later, for their equipment and for them to sleep and work. And then we had a super big double insulated Quonset-style tent that was the Mess tent and it would see 24 people at a time attached to the end of it. The one end was the door. The opposite end was attached to more of that insulated plywood, where we built the kitchen facilities. We would bring up three cooks, a head cook and two helpers and then bring up all the food we needed. And it was all you know, pretty much frozen food. And we had the biggest freezer in the world right outside the back door. But we also would bring up vegetables and milk and things that didn’t get frozen. And we would we would put shelving, metal shelving, inside that hut and the bottom shelf was the coldest and as you went up, it got warmer as it went up so we could keep refrigerated goods in the hut because it was sort of inside the hut — outside the hut it was freezer temperature, inside the hut it was like refrigerator temperature. So I tell people we worked in the freezer and we ate in the refrigerator. And the cooks were used to cooking for large groups, I mean they were either cruise ship experienced or something like that. They ordered all the food. Meals were just wonderful. They attempted to get 5000 calories per day into to every person at the camp. Most of that, most of those calories were used to keep yourself warm. And so and they had three full meals a day. We’d also have outhouses. It would be four foot by four foot, eight foot tall, uninsulated, unlit, unheated, with a door, you know, and in the center of it would be a two foot square box that’s about toilet height, 17 inches.

David Read
Yeah. I’m showing it now. Lots of toilet paper on the side you weren’t gonna run out anytime soon in this particular shot.

Barry Campbell
No, nope, and nailed to the top of that was a toilet seat but it was offset toward the one end of that box so that,you know, you wouldn’t have to scoot all the way back into the center of the box. But that was also good because the box was lined with a double lining of super heavy garbage bags. Those big black leaf bags. So when you use the bathroom it went into the leaf bag, and it will start creating kind of a little pyramid under the center of the toilet seat. And when the pyramid got to the point where was getting uncomfortably close, you would just take the box and rotate it 180 degrees, take the lid and and change it back. So now you’ve got a clean spot with, you know, with no big pyramid that you can fill back up again. And then when it got, when the box got full, you just take the lid off, which had the toilet seat on it, grab up the sides of the garbage bag, twist them up, tie ’em up, set them outside the hut where it would freeze almost instantly. And then once a day, our camp guerrillas, which were the divers and other guys that would that would take care of the housekeeping at the camp, they’d come by on a snowmobile and pick them all up and take them out to the dump. And you know, we burn them up that way. For the men, we had a peep hole. And I think there’s a picture of that, too. And we’d have at least two of them, sometimes three, on the outskirts of the camp, and usually would be a four foot by four foot by four foot box, maybe two feet high, with a two by two poles set in the center of it. Now some of the, once in a while we’d have a box without a pole. And the box with the pole that’s where for guys who were, you know, they like to aim, some guys need to have something to aim at. And then other the other box was like freeform, you didn’t have to, you know, you just had to get it in the box. And by the end of six weeks, with the ones with the poles in the middle of like a giant yellow popsicle upside down.

David Read
I can’t imagine. I can get the, I understand the huts. But I would think that part of me would freeze off, you know, during the other one.

Barry Campbell
Well, you train and it takes some training. You go out you put your back to the wind. That’s important. Yeah, now get back to the wind. And then you dig down through 12 layers of clothing. And get yourself situated. Now putting your back to the wind does not always put your back to the camp. So many mornings, I would be out there. And with my free hand, I would wave to the nice lady cooks as they walk by saying, “Good morning, you know, it’s nice to see you guys.” And off they would march. So it was, the real, the real test of masculinity was going in the middle of night. And as I got older doing these camps, those bathroom visits to the middle of the night got more frequent. So, you know, we train, you get up, you know, you get your camp booties on and you throw your parka on, you get your flashlight, you look out through the window and the door, to make sure there’s not a bear in sight. No bear, open the door, look all around with your flashlight, march straight to the thing, you know, back to the wind, but you know, keeping looking around your flashlight, do your business and then get back to your hut. That was, I mean, it sounds worse than it was. It was cold but there’s a certain peace in the middle of the night. The only sound is those generators in that tent way, way, way away. Otherwise, it’s a little bit of wind and, you know, there’s more stars than you can count. All the different northern constellations you’re used to are just blazing. And then, generally, at least some point during the camp, we get some Northern Lights showing up. So getting up in the middle of the night to have to pee was sometimes a treat. Because for those guys that didn’t have to get up, they’d missed the Lights. I was mentioning that at breakfast one morning while the Stargate group was there. Now we had, we had Amanda and five other women in a hut by themselves. And that was a couple of the camera assistants, makeup, costumes, those folks, they had brought some women up we told that was fine. And I had mentioned that the Northern Lights were really great last night. And so Amanda, she went over to the Command hut at one point and asked that they wake up the women’s hut if the Northern Lights were out. Because we always had two people on watch all through the night, the officer and his assistant. The assistant would wander the camp once an hour just to make sure there weren’t any cracks appearing or you know, check for fire or whatever.

David Read
It’s is the safety thing.

Barry Campbell
And he’s the guy that would say, “Oh, yeah, the the Northern Lights are out.” So he’d go knock on the, rap on the door the women’s hut, and they came up and he rapped on it and they all got up and they were up for two or three hours watching, taking pictures, and enjoying the Lights.

David Read
That’s amazing. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about your speech at Stargate, to let them know what they were in for when they were going up there. And this is the story where Christopher Judge excused himself.

Barry Campbell
Yes, normally when we have people come to the ice camp will give them a orientation, safety, and survival training, which lasts for five hours. And this is for anybody who’s never been to the Arctic before one of our camps. So we either go to their place if there are a lot of them, or they come to San Diego, and we train them in our place. And I was in charge of the training because I was going to be the Officer-in-Charge. And nobody else frankly, wanted to do it. So I did it. And so we told the Stargate folks that they were going to have to have some orientation before they got up there for their own sake. So Mike Hacking, who was my opposite number at Prudhoe Bay, he and I were going up early, which we always went up a couple of weeks early, and on the way up to Alaska, we stopped in Vancouver, and rented a car and put our stuff in it and went over Bridge Studios, and up in their conference room where they do the, you know, the the table reads and all that kind of stuff, they set it up for us to do our lecture. And everybody that was going to go up to the camp showed up that day. It was a Saturday. And we gave a five hour orientation. So the first part is orientation, second part is safety, and the last part is survival. And it gets so it’s more and more direct, dramatic, the more the longer you go through it. The only person that really wasn’t in attendance was Richard Dean Anderson. And they assured me that he would be given all the appropriate stuff to read and look at, which I don’t think he ever did. But, you know, we took care of him anyway. So, you know, and I was telling, you know, in the safety and survival section, I said, you know, you guys go on, away from the studio and on location, for a lot of times doing different things out in the desert, out in the forest. And, you know, it’s sane, and it’s not in a studio, but it’s not really that, there’s not really danger involved unless you’re stupid. And the Arctic is not like that. There’s actual danger of death in the Arctic. And you have to be aware of that and respect it because it’s true. You could, you know, a crack can open up, you can fall into the ice. Once you fall in unless there’s somebody there to pull you out, you’re not getting out.

David Read
Two people died during production. At around the same time, around the same time the film is dedicated to them.

Barry Campbell
They were actually on a submarine. We can talk about that in a minute if you want. But at the camp, there is actual danger, there’s danger of frostbite, you have to be aware of what frostbite looks like what it feels like, you have to look out for your buddy. Because if your ears and nose are starting to get frostbite, you won’t know it, because they go numb. You have to keep your eyes on your buddy to say, “Hey, listen, you’re getting some frostbite. And, you know, rub your ears or, you know, do this, do something we have to warm you back up.” And polar bears don’t have any natural enemies and they’re very curious and they can outrun a man. So, you know, we we always watch out for them every time we have an aircraft up. But when they leave the circle to camp looking for bears, whether it’s helicopter or plane, when they arrive back, they do a circle, the first to find out. So we’re always on the lookout. And in the chance you know, but we have gotten up in the morning and found that there was a polar bears sniffing around the butt end of the helicopter when you can see his big old footprints out there. So there are, you know, there are dangers. Well, it’s not so much to frighten them, but just to make them aware. Make them be aware and don’t take it casually. You know, every every time you’re out of your hut, you have to be aware, keep your head on a swivel and remember all these things. Now you can smile and joke and laugh and have a good time but you have to keep your wits about you. Well at the end of this, Christopher judge was there and also Rachel Luttrell was there. They were, they were planning on going up. Rachel bowed out because it turned out later that she was pregnant at the time. And so she bowed out and then later told us she was pregnant. Christopher bowed out because he told somebody that, “I looked around the room and realized that the only person at the table that was the same color as a seal, which is the polar bears favorite food, was me. So I decided not to go.”

David Read
I have made fun of him ever since for this.

Barry Campbell
Yeah

David Read
Oh, man, what a trip. And I mean, you got to be proud of the finished product. You know how Brad worked you guys in.

Barry Campbell
Yeah, you know, there was a, Brad was brilliant in the way he got, you know the Navy involved and when he wrote the the outline for the script, he called me and I talked to my boss and my boss went to big Navy and said, “They’ve got a written so the Navy rescues the Air Force.” Well, that sealed the deal. You know, you know, Brad is brilliant. But there was one point where it turned out that, you know, Michael Shanks and Ben Browder and Amanda, they all had come back through the gate and gotten onto the boat, right, in Continuum? And then when they left the boat to trek across the Arctic, they left Michael behind. And so that boat sequence, and then sliding down the ice outside of the boat, that was all in studio, the inside of the boat and sliding down. All the rest of the Arctic stuff was actually in the Arctic. But I got a call from Brad saying, “I’ve just learned that…” Now we did all this filming in March because that’s when we have to have our ice camp. And they weren’t going to start going to start production until May. So everybody was on contract for May. And so they had to go out and scrounge cameramen and, and everybody else, you know, to get them under contract with this one, you know, seven days shoot in March. And when they went to Michael Shanks, he had already signed up to do three episodes of 24, at that time, so he couldn’t go to the Arctic. So Brad called me to say, “I’ve got to write him out of the trek across the Arctic part and let’s figure this out.” So after about a half an hour, going back and forth, we came up with the step your foot into the ice and freeze your foot part. And that would keep him from legitimately being able to make the trek across the Arctic. And that’s why he got a frozen foot and ended up losing his leg in there. Because he couldn’t make that March shoot.

David Read
Yeah. Well, yeah, that’s contracts, you know, when you get something else going on. Yeah, but what what an experience, I’ve got some fan questions for you. So it looks like GateGabber asked, “Did all the huts have names I noticed Luxor stenciled on the side with one of the Stargate, with one with the Stargate banner on it.”

Barry Campbell
We typically at each camp, we pick a theme and name each hut for the theme. And the theme picked this year was Las Vegas hotels. Once sometimes it’s cartoon characters. Sometimes it’s famous explorers, whatever it was, but this year it was it was Las Vegas hotels. So every every hut was named after our Las Vegas hotel.

David Read
Raj Luthra, “Did you give a tour of the station to the cast and crew.” I’m sure that had a part to play and once you guys were up there, showing everything around to everybody. Because they were living there for they’re gonna be living there for a week. So.

Barry Campbell
Oh, yeah. Well, when they, you know, I give them the orientation. And then when they arrive on the aircraft, I met every person that came to the camp as Officer-in-Charge, some guys didn’t do that I always did. Escort them back to the mess tent, got them fixed up with a cup of coffee or hot chocolate, and then gave them their their on-site orientation then, which was about a half an hour. Tell him about the outhouses and the people and what time dinner is and what to wear to dinner and what not to wear and, and safety and what, the extent of the camp don’t go beyond this and all that stuff. And in fact, there were two things that we did at the camp. One of the one of the rules we had was cooks don’t wash dishes. That was a rule. So we had a whiteboard up, and people would sign up to do dishes after breakfast, lunch and dinner. Throughout the, you know, like the next week. And I had told the Stargate cast and crew that that would be expected of them. And when they got up there, they were only going to be there a week, the entire week was already filled up with volunteers to do dishes. So they just got up, got the eraser started erasing names and putting their own names in and everybody did dishes, I think except Richard, but everybody, John Smith and his wife, Amanda, they all did dishes at one point, they felt like they had to do that to be part of the camp. And the other thing we always had to do was, we set the camp up miles and miles and miles away from the shore on an ice floe. This particular ice floe was about five feet thick and about a mile in diameter, but it had a bunch of bumps, bunch of little ridges in it. And those are the old that’s the older ice. When the sea ice freezes, it’s saltwater. So the ice is got a high salt content, but every year that it doesn’t, doesn’t melt in the summer some of the that salt leeches back into the water. So after three or four or five years, what you’re left with is pure saltwater, salt free ice, freshwater ice. And that’s where the the big humps and stuff are. So we would go out sweep the ice, or the snow, off the top of it, get a pick axe and pick it that, taste it, see if it was salty or not. And that would be our source of drinking water, cooking water, water to clean with for the camp. And so everybody had the responsibility to go out and help mine ice because everybody had drinking water. So I’d get up and, you know, I’d be I didn’t mine ice. I was a little busy. But I walk to the Command hut and I would see Grizz and Ben and somebody else had a snowmobile and pick axes, and they were heading out to the ice mine to mine ice. And they took their part just like everybody. When I told, you know, I was a big Stargate fan. And I had been involved with, you know, set tours and stuff. So I’d seen some of it. And I realized what professionals these folks really are. And when I told my guys that we were going to have these Hollywood types up at the camp for a week, they were just, “Mr. Campbell, what the hell are you thinking, we’re going to have to babysit, we’re not going to have any time to do our jobs. It’s going to be hell, I can’t believe he even agreed anything like that.” Well, about three hours after they had arrived, my crew had realized that, hey, these guys are professionals. These guys are workers, these guys are ready and able to do what needs to be done. And the first meal was, you know, the Stargate people sitting at their table and the APLIS people sitting there’s, but by breakfast the next morning, it was all mixed up. Everybody was sitting with everybody else. And it was all one big crew. At the end, my guys had so much respect for them they would they would give them anything they asked for. And they were so delighted. I mean, they would they would say, “No, you think you can do this?” “Oh, yeah.” You know that my guys wanted to do it. They didn’t want to ask. But it really just, it was just such a pleasure watching it all come together like that.

David Read
People, those people pull their weight, you know, when it’s appropriate, you know, and even when it’s not, it’s like, you know, where can I help?

David Read
So that’s just who they are. Lockwatacher said, “We appreciate what you did for Stargate. But with the exception of Continuum, what’s your favorite episode of the series?”

Barry Campbell
That’s right.

Barry Campbell
The 200th episode. I don’t have to think about that. Those puppets. Ah, it was great.

David Read
That’s great. I remember sitting in Brad’s office, he said, “We’re making puppets. We’re doing marionettes.” And like, I’d seen Team America. I was like, “Okay, this is gonna be, it’s gonna be crazy.”

Barry Campbell
And after that, I guess, Wormhole X-treme. That was another favorite.

David Read
Absolutely. General. Yeah.

Barry Campbell
So many. I mean, the one where they, where Teal’c and O’Neill, keep going back in Groundhog’s Day doing the Groundhog’s Day thing.

David Read
Window of Opportunity.

Barry Campbell
Yeah, that was…

David Read
It’s a riot.

Barry Campbell
There were so many.

David Read
So General Maximus wants to say, “Can I just say from one fan to another, thank you so much for everything you did, and the phenomenal and truly unique contribution you made to Stargate.”

Barry Campbell
Man, I did it for me guy. I’m glad that everybody else enjoyed it, but it was just, it’s purely selfish. And it worked, man, and it just worked out.

David Read
So you are and Lockwatcher also says, “Because you’re a beekeeper. Have you made any mead yet?”

Barry Campbell
No, but I’m now beekeeping with my buddy down the road. There’s a winery a half a mile from my house. And I met him at the winery one day. Turns out he’s an ex-Navy P3 pilot, where I’m an ex-Navy Submariner. So he was the guy looking for the submarine and I was the guy in the submarine trying not to get found. It was, but we hit it off just fine. He has a big orchard. So we’ve got a couple of couple of beehives at his place. So I’m a beekeeper with him. There’s we have four hives between us and we share the responsibilities. It’s about three and a half miles between us. He makes wine and mead. So I don’t have to make it myself. Mike makes it for me.

David Read
And then you’re the honey guy.

Barry Campbell
Yeah.

David Read
I’m a few hours from you, sir. And I am going to go up and film some of the to share with everybody later this year. I mean, I want to see the bees.

Barry Campbell
I’d love to have you I gotta be sure that’ll fit you, I’m sure. And we’ll get we’ll get out there and pop the top on one of the hives and let you meet some bees.

David Read
I cannot wait. We will we will make it a part of Dial the Gate for sure. Because that’s always fascinated me. So Barry, this is been a tremendous treat. I regret not having you on the show sooner. I’ve always wanted to wait for the right time. And it means so much to me for you to retell this story in such wonderful detail again. So it’s great to have you,

Barry Campbell
David, I’ve got another hour of stuff to talk about. So if you want to do it again…

David Read
Let’s let’s, have you back let’s have you back on.

Barry Campbell
I’ve got some behind the scenes.

David Read
I wanna talk about retrieving the torpedoes. I mean, that was just, just brilliant.

Barry Campbell
So I mean, I can talk about when, when Richard Dean Anderson, you know, got to say “cut.” All kinds of stuff. So yeah, love to.

David Read
Yes. And the film was dedicated to the memory of, Continuum was dedicated to Paul McCann and Anthony Huntrod, they were the ones who lost their lives during an accident under the ice cap on the HMS Tireless during grab production.

Barry Campbell
Just before the Stargate people arrived, they had an explosion on board and fortunately, unfortunately two of the sailors lost their lives and one was seriously injured. The folks at the ice camp jumped into into emergency mode, and did some amazing amazing rescue work to get that the injured sailor out of the boat and up to Anchorage for surgery. So it was a tense time. And it was a a tragedy, Tireless went ahead and was called home after that. And Alexandria stayed to complete her mission. And so we were able to, we’re able to continue with, you know, I gotta call all right, I gotta call or called Brad Wright right away. And he was, you know, “Are we gonna come or not?” And I talked to big Navy and they said, “Yeah, let them come. You know, it’s, it’s, we might as well keep on going.” So we did.

David Read
Well, thank you again for making this all you know possible with being a Stargate fan, you know, it’s where your fandom can lead to some surprising things and some some really cool rewards. So, and you know what, I’ll have you back for another hour, we’ll finish the round of stories.

Barry Campbell
I’d love to. I’d love to anytime. Just let me know.

David Read
Thank you, sir.

Barry Campbell
Sorry, all the rest of you out there thanks for tuning in. Thanks for listening. If you’ve heard it before, I hope you heard something different. If you hadn’t heard it before, well, now you know.

David Read
Thank you, sir. I’m gonna go ahead and wrap things up on this and I’ll be in touch with you real soon. Okay.

Barry Campbell
All right. So I’m done.

David Read
Yes, sir. Be well, my friend.

Barry Campbell
You too.

David Read
Thank you.

Barry Campbell
Aloha.

David Read
Aloha to you. Barry Campbell, everyone. His stories are always so cool and I’m always learning something new that I haven’t that I haven’t heard before. So thanks so much for tuning in to this episode of Dial the Gate. We have a pretty packed schedule now. Let me just put it this way. So Alaina Huffman is going to be joining us tomorrow, which is a Monday January the 23rd at 11am Pacific Time, so she’s going to be discussing her time on Stargate Universe as TJ. February the fourth at 10am I have David McNally who played Hanno most notably in Cor’Ai and he also came back as as Simon in Demons and also returned in season two of Atlantis. Jonathan Glasner, his new show, The Ark, is launching Wednesday, February the first. I talked with him yesterday. So the piece of that is actually going to be debuting tonight when I get off work on to Dial the Gate. And then we will be having his full interview to discuss The Ark and more of his time on Stargate SG-1. That’s going to be posted on February the fourth at noon after David McNally. Then February the 11th at noon, we have James Titchener, Visual Effects Producer and Writer from Stargate SG-1. This is a long overdue interview. I apologize to everyone. And then Anna Galvin at 4pm Pacific Time a little bit later on February the 11th discussing her three different roles on Stargate SG-1, Atlantis, and Universe followed by February the 18th, we’re really scheduling pretty far out there now, Bonnie Bartlett. She’ll be back to discuss more Linea on her episode of Stargate SG-1 and her new book just out now Middle of the Rainbow. So if you go to dialthegate.com you can click on Middle of the Rainbow here and it will take you to Amazon where you can purchase her book. So if you want to discuss her story, her life story, Middle of the Rainbow: How a wife, mother and daughter managed to find herself and win two Emmys. This came out earlier this year. So we’re going to have her middle of February on the 18th and I suggest you go and get her book so you can ask her about her story when she comes on to discuss it with us and more of her time in Hollywood. My thanks to my team, I cannot make this show possible without them. My producer, Linda “GateGabber” Furey has really stepped up and help me get these interviews booked. I didn’t know how much I was really needing a pretty much a full time producer almost until we started cranking things out this year, as well as my moderating team Sommer, Tracy, Jeremy, Rhys, and Antony and a big tremendous thanks to Frederick Marcoux at ConceptsWeb for keeping our site up and running. My name is David Read for the Dial the Gate. We’re going to be switching over to Wormhole X-Tremists now to watch two more episodes of SG-1, Enigma and Solitudes. That’s YouTube.com/wormhole X-Tremists. We’ll see you on the other side.